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> the proof lies in what job ads mention. Considering how many job ads for "entry level position" then go on to list a skillset that describes half an IT depar

> the proof lies in what job ads mention. Considering how many job ads for "entry level position" then go on to list a skillset that describes half an IT department, I'm not sure I would consider using these as a technical argument.

hurril 3y ago
They aren't part of a technical argument. The root parent of this discussion pertains to the value of frameworks. In this context, I am making the claim that Java and Java programmers need frameworks and that hating them is basically misdirected. You are, in effect, blaming the plastic hammer for not working without first turning it into a metallic one. You can agree with this or not but please direct your answers to the claim I am making and please be honest. I'm frankly shocked that this is a controversial take and I can honestly say that this has made me understand why Java with Spring Boot as well as JavaScript is so prevalent still. You like it the way it is and probably always will! I mean: judging by how most of you respond, you've probably also missed to point though so I can never be quite sure.