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Am I missing some demos of LLM’s producing jr. Dev level work, because from my experience this seems implausible.

by merpnderp 3y ago

guluarte 3y ago
AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs
- DiscourseFan 3y ago
  Could. Also might not, depends on a lot of things. But I have to say, there are a still plenty of horse and buggy drivers today, weavers, typewriter manufacturers. I'm sure they'll still be many programmers with AI advances.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  AI has enabled my team to essentially all become polyglots. It's really amazing to be able to jump between languages, using the best tools for the domain. * JS/TS - FE * Ruby on Rails - Most of our business logic * Python - Doc and LLM specific code * Misc. other languages - niche features that make the most sense in specific languages. ---- Previously, we'd spend a lot of time on dumb little things. Things that you probably take for granted in your primary language, but can become super frustrating in a new language.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.
    - throwaway5959 3y ago
      It’s wild how people never seem to say “wow, now our team of 12 can be twice as productive. Think about how much less stressed they’ll be and more productive we’ll be able to be for the company!”.
      - robluxus 3y ago
        Because if you start making more widgets then now your support, marketing, sales acquisition et al costs also have to scale. But that needs foresight... And until the AI workforce comes for those too, it's easier to claim short term victory.
        musicale 3y ago
        Great answer that addresses the business incentives. Scaling is hard (perhaps impossible in some markets) and possibly expensive, while cutting labor costs has an immediate benefit to the bottom line.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        Then why not make a solid argument for it higher up in the chain? Instead of a reaction to a comment further down.
      - FormerBandmate 3y ago
        That’s what ends up happening in practice. Who has actually been fired because of AI? GitHub Copilot has been out forever
      - musicale 3y ago
        In my experience, the return rate for improved productivity is usually targeted at around 99% to the company, 1% to employees.
  - firemelt 3y ago
    any example use case for ruby on rails? I still can't think the use case of using ai to help me code my ruby on rails project
- musicale 3y ago
  > AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs It appears to have already led to layoffs and hiring cutbacks. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/ai-tech-layoffs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/ai-tech-layoffs/index.ht... [2] https://www.reuters.com/technology/ibm-pause-hiring-plans-replace-7800-jobs-with-ai-bloomberg-news-2023-05-01/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/ibm-pause-hiring-plans-re...
PeterStuer 3y ago
It's not that the AI is autonomous as a coder. It's more like a senior dev going without the junior trainy for menial tasks. Both needed supervision and handholding, but one is substantially cheaper. How this will impact the developer ecosystem remains to be seem.

Am I missing some demos of LLM’s producing jr. Dev level work, because from my experience this seems implausible.

guluarte 3y ago

AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs

DiscourseFan 3y ago
Could. Also might not, depends on a lot of things. But I have to say, there are a still plenty of horse and buggy drivers today, weavers, typewriter manufacturers. I'm sure they'll still be many programmers with AI advances.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
AI has enabled my team to essentially all become polyglots. It's really amazing to be able to jump between languages, using the best tools for the domain. * JS/TS - FE * Ruby on Rails - Most of our business logic * Python - Doc and LLM specific code * Misc. other languages - niche features that make the most sense in specific languages. ---- Previously, we'd spend a lot of time on dumb little things. Things that you probably take for granted in your primary language, but can become super frustrating in a new language.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    It’s wild how people never seem to say “wow, now our team of 12 can be twice as productive. Think about how much less stressed they’ll be and more productive we’ll be able to be for the company!”.
    - robluxus 3y ago
      Because if you start making more widgets then now your support, marketing, sales acquisition et al costs also have to scale. But that needs foresight... And until the AI workforce comes for those too, it's easier to claim short term victory.
      - musicale 3y ago
        Great answer that addresses the business incentives. Scaling is hard (perhaps impossible in some markets) and possibly expensive, while cutting labor costs has an immediate benefit to the bottom line.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      Then why not make a solid argument for it higher up in the chain? Instead of a reaction to a comment further down.
    - FormerBandmate 3y ago
      That’s what ends up happening in practice. Who has actually been fired because of AI? GitHub Copilot has been out forever
    - musicale 3y ago
      In my experience, the return rate for improved productivity is usually targeted at around 99% to the company, 1% to employees.
- firemelt 3y ago
  any example use case for ruby on rails? I still can't think the use case of using ai to help me code my ruby on rails project
musicale 3y ago
> AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs It appears to have already led to layoffs and hiring cutbacks. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/ai-tech-layoffs/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/04/tech/ai-tech-layoffs/index.ht... [2] https://www.reuters.com/technology/ibm-pause-hiring-plans-replace-7800-jobs-with-ai-bloomberg-news-2023-05-01/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/ibm-pause-hiring-plans-re...

PeterStuer 3y ago

It's not that the AI is autonomous as a coder. It's more like a senior dev going without the junior trainy for menial tasks. Both needed supervision and handholding, but one is substantially cheaper. How this will impact the developer ecosystem remains to be seem.