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> they get paid all the same I haven't looked at a McDonalds franchise contract, but every QSR franchise contract I've seen requires the franchisee to pay the

by krger 3y ago

> they get paid all the same I haven't looked at a McDonalds franchise contract, but every QSR franchise contract I've seen requires the franchisee to pay the brand a percentage of each location's gross sales. Broken ice cream machine = less gross sales. Less gross sales = less money going to the brand. It's also not great for customer satisfaction.

atlasunshrugged 3y ago
Yes, I looked into franchising many years ago and that was my recollection as well -- often groups also sell you the inputs/ingredients and force you to purchase through them to "maintain quality/consistency" which would seem to be another reason why McD would want more volume/sales.
- krger 3y ago
  > often groups also sell you the inputs/ingredients and force you to purchase through them to "maintain quality/consistency" QSR franchisees are famous for cutting every corner they can get away with (as well as cutting even more corners until they get caught by the brand or local health/labor inspectors), so maintaining quality and consistency is a very real concern for these brands.
  - atlasunshrugged 3y ago
    Yes, that's fair, but it's also a great way to guarantee recurring revenue for a franchisor whose franchisees are obligated to purchase from them
- dylan604 3y ago
  I thought we were talking about an ice cream machine and not an ink jet printer.
  - atlasunshrugged 3y ago
    All the same to the MBAs at these companies looking to squeeze the last penny out of everything
  - kube-system 3y ago
    Inkjet printers merely have DRM. Franchises have way more power; they have legally binding contracts.
mike_d 3y ago
I believe when this first came out it was highlighted that a lot of employees moved back and forth between McD and Taylor. The implication that residual stock or friends across town could influence the situation.
- krger 3y ago
  >The implication that residual stock or friends across town could influence the situation. Yes, that could explain why McDonalds execs would try to discourage franchisees from using Kytch. It doesn't, however, explain why McDonalds execs seem not to have a problem with 20% of their locations not being able to sell a product that people apparently like enough to complain when they can't get it, which is what the top-level comment was talking about.
chankstein38 3y ago
Aren't most of their ice cream products like <$5? I recall the cones are only like $1. My guess would be that, if there is some kind of arrangement between McD's and Taylor, it's probably way more profitable than the losses they'd see from 10-13% of their ice cream machines being down per month.
- almostnormal 3y ago
  Isn't the cost of the ingredients some $0.2 (I have no idea, just estimating by the taste), so that machine is printing money when working? It's surprising they cannot build a machine that does not break that easily.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    I wouldn't be so sure. Milk, cream, and sugar are relatively expensive ingredients, and labor is very expensive.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    Milk/cream is not cheap. It takes a lot of energy to freeze that mixture as well. Most people don't try to measure this, but the ice in your soda probably costs more than the rest of the sugar water (in bulk/wholesale as restaurants buy soda, if you pay retails prices things are different)
0xy 3y ago
Would McDonalds Corp rather sell let's say 1,000 ice creams for $1,000 total at a 2% cut ($20) or an ice cream machine repair (maybe $1,000)? They're fleecing the franchisees via repairs.
- tuukkah 3y ago
  Thank you for pointing this out! This kind of a simple revenue calculation can be highly insightful.
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- Aloisius 3y ago
  Why would McDonald's corporate be getting paid for machine repairs? The repairs are handled by local distributors of Taylor machines. Taylor itself makes money on replacement parts and machines. There haven't been any allegations of kickbacks to McDonald's corporate, so I don't get it.
JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Apparently if the ice cream machine is broken, the franchise can move more product in other higher-margin categories. So no, it doesn't mean less gross sales.
- badwolf 3y ago
  Yep. me: "I'll have a milkshake please" McD: "ice cream machine's broke" me: "ugh. Ok, I'll just have a coke"

by krger 3y ago

atlasunshrugged 3y ago

Yes, I looked into franchising many years ago and that was my recollection as well -- often groups also sell you the inputs/ingredients and force you to purchase through them to "maintain quality/consistency" which would seem to be another reason why McD would want more volume/sales.

krger 3y ago
> often groups also sell you the inputs/ingredients and force you to purchase through them to "maintain quality/consistency" QSR franchisees are famous for cutting every corner they can get away with (as well as cutting even more corners until they get caught by the brand or local health/labor inspectors), so maintaining quality and consistency is a very real concern for these brands.
- atlasunshrugged 3y ago
  Yes, that's fair, but it's also a great way to guarantee recurring revenue for a franchisor whose franchisees are obligated to purchase from them
dylan604 3y ago
I thought we were talking about an ice cream machine and not an ink jet printer.
- atlasunshrugged 3y ago
  All the same to the MBAs at these companies looking to squeeze the last penny out of everything
- kube-system 3y ago
  Inkjet printers merely have DRM. Franchises have way more power; they have legally binding contracts.

mike_d 3y ago

I believe when this first came out it was highlighted that a lot of employees moved back and forth between McD and Taylor. The implication that residual stock or friends across town could influence the situation.

krger 3y ago
>The implication that residual stock or friends across town could influence the situation. Yes, that could explain why McDonalds execs would try to discourage franchisees from using Kytch. It doesn't, however, explain why McDonalds execs seem not to have a problem with 20% of their locations not being able to sell a product that people apparently like enough to complain when they can't get it, which is what the top-level comment was talking about.

chankstein38 3y ago

Aren't most of their ice cream products like <$5? I recall the cones are only like $1. My guess would be that, if there is some kind of arrangement between McD's and Taylor, it's probably way more profitable than the losses they'd see from 10-13% of their ice cream machines being down per month.

almostnormal 3y ago
Isn't the cost of the ingredients some $0.2 (I have no idea, just estimating by the taste), so that machine is printing money when working? It's surprising they cannot build a machine that does not break that easily.
- kube-system 3y ago
  I wouldn't be so sure. Milk, cream, and sugar are relatively expensive ingredients, and labor is very expensive.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Milk/cream is not cheap. It takes a lot of energy to freeze that mixture as well. Most people don't try to measure this, but the ice in your soda probably costs more than the rest of the sugar water (in bulk/wholesale as restaurants buy soda, if you pay retails prices things are different)

0xy 3y ago

Would McDonalds Corp rather sell let's say 1,000 ice creams for $1,000 total at a 2% cut ($20) or an ice cream machine repair (maybe $1,000)? They're fleecing the franchisees via repairs.

tuukkah 3y ago
Thank you for pointing this out! This kind of a simple revenue calculation can be highly insightful.
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Aloisius 3y ago
Why would McDonald's corporate be getting paid for machine repairs? The repairs are handled by local distributors of Taylor machines. Taylor itself makes money on replacement parts and machines. There haven't been any allegations of kickbacks to McDonald's corporate, so I don't get it.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago

Apparently if the ice cream machine is broken, the franchise can move more product in other higher-margin categories. So no, it doesn't mean less gross sales.

badwolf 3y ago
Yep. me: "I'll have a milkshake please" McD: "ice cream machine's broke" me: "ugh. Ok, I'll just have a coke"