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How? There are generations born in Israel, people who have nothing to do with occupation, they were born into this situation same like Palestinians. Why would t

How? There are generations born in Israel, people who have nothing to do with occupation, they were born into this situation same like Palestinians. Why would they leave? My father is Belorussian jew, mother Dagestanian Ukrainian, I was born in Russia. I'm Israely. Where exactly do you want me to pack up my bags and leave? Because I WILL fight you if you'll try to deport me to Russia... I consider calls "to end the occupation" a sign of lack of understanding of the other side, we have nowhere to go.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
they would stay there as they please as long as they aren't subjugating palestine as occupiers.
- devenvdev 3y ago
  Uhm, have you asked "them"? I yet to see "let's end the occupation" call that resulted in a less naive conversation. What you propose is not a plan or a decent answer to "how to end occupation".
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    when apartheid south africa ended, the people remained. populations were not mass deported as you're suggesting must happen to end occupation - simply ahistorical. why is that more farfetched to you than mass deportations (to, as you say, where?) btw, i used "they" to refer to the same "they" that you wrote. don't insinuate anything with scare quotes.
    - devenvdev 3y ago
      > what should Israel do? Pack up their bags and leave? > That is exactly what they should do: End the occupation. If you'll ask Palestinians ending occupation means exactly that, Jews leaving, thus the famous slogan, Hamas charter, etc. I think you are being deliberately obtuse at this point, so this conversation is over on my part.
      - wahnfrieden 3y ago
        The Hamas charter advocates for the 1967 borders as a "formula for national consensus". Goodbye!
mikojan 3y ago
Israel controls Gaza's borders. Israel controls the sea. Israel controls Gaza's airspace. Israel controls the products entering and exiting Gaza. Israel controls even more areas than this. The occupation is ongoing. And it needs to end. I do not care if you continue your live in Russia or Israel...
- devenvdev 3y ago
  You haven't answered "How?".
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    By not leaving, but ending the subjugation as occupiers

wahnfrieden 3y ago

they would stay there as they please as long as they aren't subjugating palestine as occupiers.

devenvdev 3y ago
Uhm, have you asked "them"? I yet to see "let's end the occupation" call that resulted in a less naive conversation. What you propose is not a plan or a decent answer to "how to end occupation".
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  when apartheid south africa ended, the people remained. populations were not mass deported as you're suggesting must happen to end occupation - simply ahistorical. why is that more farfetched to you than mass deportations (to, as you say, where?) btw, i used "they" to refer to the same "they" that you wrote. don't insinuate anything with scare quotes.
  - devenvdev 3y ago
    > what should Israel do? Pack up their bags and leave? > That is exactly what they should do: End the occupation. If you'll ask Palestinians ending occupation means exactly that, Jews leaving, thus the famous slogan, Hamas charter, etc. I think you are being deliberately obtuse at this point, so this conversation is over on my part.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      The Hamas charter advocates for the 1967 borders as a "formula for national consensus". Goodbye!

mikojan 3y ago

Israel controls Gaza's borders. Israel controls the sea. Israel controls Gaza's airspace. Israel controls the products entering and exiting Gaza. Israel controls even more areas than this. The occupation is ongoing. And it needs to end. I do not care if you continue your live in Russia or Israel...

devenvdev 3y ago
You haven't answered "How?".
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  By not leaving, but ending the subjugation as occupiers