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You forgot to mention that UCSC sits on a huge tract of land that they refuse to build student housing on for reasons I can't fathom.

dekhn 3y ago
The original plan was to build out UCSC a lot more. I think the regents lost their motivation after building colleges 9 and 10 and also I think if they built more student housing, they'd have to build more parking lots (so many students have cars) and the traffic in the city would increase tremendously.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > if they built more student housing, they'd have to build more parking lots There is another solution to this!
  - dekhn 3y ago
    If you think you can solve CA's addiction to cars, I'm all ears.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > think you can solve CA's addiction to cars No need. We're solving a narrow problem: students' need to park on campus. Out-of-town commuter and part-time students will need a car. But everyone else is solvable.
      - fragmede 3y ago
        Specifically, Merrill and Oakes college have that parking lot, and there's a parking structure by the Earth/sciences building, and another one up above college 11, and several more. Once you get on campus though, there's a reasonably good shuttle to take you around campus, so you just need to park somewhere on campus and then give yourself enough time to take the shuttle to your destination. If you're living on campus, you only need to get off campus to go to the local downtown bar scene, or for other extracurriculars, but there's a bus that takes you downtown so as a student you can get away with not having a car.
      - dekhn 3y ago
        that's not how car problems are solved in California.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > not how car problems are solved in California Stop trying to solve the problem for California. Focus on the narrow problem. Universities everywhere operate as a parallel population.
        dekhn 3y ago
        Well, it's also not how car problems are solved at UCSC, either. UCSC is an enclave on a hill with limited transport routes to downtown or the rest of the world. And the UCSC leadership has its hands tied by many different things; they can't just say "OK no cars on campus except if you are a commuter".
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > UCSC is an enclave on a hill with limited transport routes to downtown or the rest of the world Right, this is how you solve it. (Most students don’t need a car parked on campus to get to the rest of the world from Santa Cruz.)
epistasis 3y ago
NIMBYs in the city sue the university to stop all housing, infrastructure, or other things that may allow for more students or reduce their problems. Fortunately there have been modifications to CEQA last year to prevent these abuses of the law that result in worse environmental outcomes (students driving long distances rather than living on campus)

dekhn 3y ago

The original plan was to build out UCSC a lot more. I think the regents lost their motivation after building colleges 9 and 10 and also I think if they built more student housing, they'd have to build more parking lots (so many students have cars) and the traffic in the city would increase tremendously.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> if they built more student housing, they'd have to build more parking lots There is another solution to this!
- dekhn 3y ago
  If you think you can solve CA's addiction to cars, I'm all ears.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > think you can solve CA's addiction to cars No need. We're solving a narrow problem: students' need to park on campus. Out-of-town commuter and part-time students will need a car. But everyone else is solvable.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      Specifically, Merrill and Oakes college have that parking lot, and there's a parking structure by the Earth/sciences building, and another one up above college 11, and several more. Once you get on campus though, there's a reasonably good shuttle to take you around campus, so you just need to park somewhere on campus and then give yourself enough time to take the shuttle to your destination. If you're living on campus, you only need to get off campus to go to the local downtown bar scene, or for other extracurriculars, but there's a bus that takes you downtown so as a student you can get away with not having a car.
    - dekhn 3y ago
      that's not how car problems are solved in California.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > not how car problems are solved in California Stop trying to solve the problem for California. Focus on the narrow problem. Universities everywhere operate as a parallel population.
        dekhn 3y ago
        Well, it's also not how car problems are solved at UCSC, either. UCSC is an enclave on a hill with limited transport routes to downtown or the rest of the world. And the UCSC leadership has its hands tied by many different things; they can't just say "OK no cars on campus except if you are a commuter".
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > UCSC is an enclave on a hill with limited transport routes to downtown or the rest of the world Right, this is how you solve it. (Most students don’t need a car parked on campus to get to the rest of the world from Santa Cruz.)

epistasis 3y ago

NIMBYs in the city sue the university to stop all housing, infrastructure, or other things that may allow for more students or reduce their problems. Fortunately there have been modifications to CEQA last year to prevent these abuses of the law that result in worse environmental outcomes (students driving long distances rather than living on campus)