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Given that AFA Sweden has attacked immigration judges, does "genocide" here mean simply "reducing immigration"?

plagiarist 3y ago
In this context I believe "plotting genocide" probably refers to the participation in an explicitly white supremacist / Nazi organization. But you knew that, which is why you felt the need to introduce a totally separate situation to argue about.
- SenAnder 3y ago
  By "participation in a Nazi organization", do you mean buying stuff from a Nazi online shop? And the "totally separate situation" is this same antifascist organization's target selection? But no, let's return to the original claim - we are to believe every one (or at least most) of the doxing victims were "plotting genocide", they weren't just trying to stop immigration to Sweden? Based on what? Even the Nordic Resistance Movement [1], the only far-right terrorist organization mentioned in the article, and which this online shop is merely "linked to" (according to AFA Sweden), are only against immigration - their wiki page has zero mentions of genocide or expansionism. If we applied these skewed "standards" to the AFA itself, they would also be plotting genocide, a mass famine to break Sweden's national resistance, akin to the Holodomor. But of course the guilt by association and demonization only ever go one way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement
  - plagiarist 3y ago
    Their wiki page describes them as neo-Nazis in the lead sentence. You have completely lost it. No, neo-Nazis, nor people "merely" linking to neo-Nazis, nor people "just asking questions," none of them are covered by the same social contract that makes doxxing students wrong. When people decide to break the social contract by choosing Naziism, they are no longer covered.
    - SenAnder 3y ago
      You have still not substantiated that the Nordic Resistance Movement is advocating for genocide, let alone this web retailer that is (allegedly, by the left-wing organization that attacks judges and politicians) linked to this movement, let alone their customers, which is who you originally accused of advocating genocide. This is three layers of guilt by association, and you have not substantiated even one.
      - plagiarist 3y ago
        You have done it for me by linking to a source describing them as neo-Nazis. You may continue on to the Wiki page on neo-Nazis to familiarize yourself with their ideology, if you'd like. You can go to the page you linked and click "neo-Nazi," in the first sentence and read all about that.
        SenAnder 3y ago
        You love to operate by association - "They want to preserve their race, therefore they're nazis. The nazis committed genocide, therefore they also want genocide". A nice trick, for some reason the left side of the political spectrum is immune to it, despite a higher death toll. But that same source describes their ideology directly. That description contains no calls to genocide (and wikipedia would not omit such calls). But you're not alleging they called for genocide - you're alleging people that shopped on a website that is linked [1] to them called for genocide. [1] Again, allegedly linked, an allegation made by a literal by-any-definition terrorist organization.
        plagiarist 3y ago
        You are quite brainwashed if you are describing neo-Nazis as "just" "wanting to preserve their race." I hope you can recover.

In this context I believe "plotting genocide" probably refers to the participation in an explicitly white supremacist / Nazi organization. But you knew that, which is why you felt the need to introduce a totally separate situation to argue about.

SenAnder 3y ago
By "participation in a Nazi organization", do you mean buying stuff from a Nazi online shop? And the "totally separate situation" is this same antifascist organization's target selection? But no, let's return to the original claim - we are to believe every one (or at least most) of the doxing victims were "plotting genocide", they weren't just trying to stop immigration to Sweden? Based on what? Even the Nordic Resistance Movement [1], the only far-right terrorist organization mentioned in the article, and which this online shop is merely "linked to" (according to AFA Sweden), are only against immigration - their wiki page has zero mentions of genocide or expansionism. If we applied these skewed "standards" to the AFA itself, they would also be plotting genocide, a mass famine to break Sweden's national resistance, akin to the Holodomor. But of course the guilt by association and demonization only ever go one way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Resistance_Movement
- plagiarist 3y ago
  Their wiki page describes them as neo-Nazis in the lead sentence. You have completely lost it. No, neo-Nazis, nor people "merely" linking to neo-Nazis, nor people "just asking questions," none of them are covered by the same social contract that makes doxxing students wrong. When people decide to break the social contract by choosing Naziism, they are no longer covered.
  - SenAnder 3y ago
    You have still not substantiated that the Nordic Resistance Movement is advocating for genocide, let alone this web retailer that is (allegedly, by the left-wing organization that attacks judges and politicians) linked to this movement, let alone their customers, which is who you originally accused of advocating genocide. This is three layers of guilt by association, and you have not substantiated even one.
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      You have done it for me by linking to a source describing them as neo-Nazis. You may continue on to the Wiki page on neo-Nazis to familiarize yourself with their ideology, if you'd like. You can go to the page you linked and click "neo-Nazi," in the first sentence and read all about that.
      - SenAnder 3y ago
        You love to operate by association - "They want to preserve their race, therefore they're nazis. The nazis committed genocide, therefore they also want genocide". A nice trick, for some reason the left side of the political spectrum is immune to it, despite a higher death toll. But that same source describes their ideology directly. That description contains no calls to genocide (and wikipedia would not omit such calls). But you're not alleging they called for genocide - you're alleging people that shopped on a website that is linked [1] to them called for genocide. [1] Again, allegedly linked, an allegation made by a literal by-any-definition terrorist organization.
        plagiarist 3y ago
        You are quite brainwashed if you are describing neo-Nazis as "just" "wanting to preserve their race." I hope you can recover.