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It's nice, the only problem I got with omg.lol is that Wayback Machine archives are unavailable for all domains. I'm concerned that this part of the internet wo

It's nice, the only problem I got with omg.lol is that Wayback Machine archives are unavailable for all domains. I'm concerned that this part of the internet won't be saved for others to see in the future.

yellow_lead 3y ago
Is there a reason for that or they just haven't been archived yet?
- Ringz 3y ago
  Unlikely. Some people archive every page they visit.
blakewatson 3y ago
Oh wow, you’re right. I wonder what’s up with that.
politelemon 3y ago
Just tried and I see someone else also tried after seeing your comment. > The same snapshot had been made 25 minutes ago. You can make new capture of this URL after 1 hour. But yeah it's strange, nothing appears in the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://bw.omg.lol/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://bw.omg.l...
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  It’s possible the site owner has asked the Archive to dark site specific captures. Capture jobs will still run, but they won’t be available publicly (until some future date). You can always run your own crawls with grab site: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site
contrarian1234 3y ago
I think that's great.. archiving should be opt-in not opt-out You can read and access my work/words as I want. And once I don't or change my mind you can't. Once someone posts something, you don't have a right to it in perpetuity .. That's how things should work - but that's just my opinion
- leononame 3y ago
  I Disagree. There's not a big difference between someone reading your stuff and saving it versus automatic archiving. Being able to delete what you said makes real discourse with a bad actor very hard if not impossible. If you change your mind, you are always free to rectify, but you shouldn't be able to pretend you never said this or that. I know there's a line to draw somewhere, personal blogs aren't our countries' leaders' Twitter accounts or press conferences. Copying someone's copyrighted work in form of an archive might some legal implications I'm not aware of. But keeping things for posteriority is important and I don't believe people should be able to choose what part of their words and actions will be recorded and which won't.
- echelon 3y ago
  Vehement disagree. Many of the early communities I participated in are gone forever, and it's a shame to think of how much more has been lost to time. In the absolute limit, I hope our future descendents reconstruct the past light cone and can replay all of our biochemical thoughts and emotions. Perhaps even simulating our existence and perception to exacting precision. Maybe they'll get to see t-rexes in their natural habitat, visit lost 90s websites, and feel what taking the organic chemistry final was like.
  - contrarian1234 3y ago
    How about if the community participants actively want to have a ephemeral experience that is then deleted for ever? Why do you (as someone who is doing no work and not contributing) have some right to deny them that?
  - rd 3y ago
    I’ve had this exact thought a million times. The first time I tripped acid - I remember writing a page of notes on how sad I felt that I would never get to experience the exact way a memory occurred to me in the past. What’s even more saddening is that with tech like Rewind, and what’ll be the future of Rewind in 10-20 years, by 2040, I fully expect all memories/events ever produced to be logged in an almost endless database of all human experience. But - because time is linear, we wouldn’t ever fully be able to simulate the past of say everything before 2030? And that’s just so sad.
burkaman 3y ago
The creator's company website is also excluded: https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://neatnik.net/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://neatnik..... Maybe some philosophical disagreement?
- lucb1e 3y ago
  Presumably due to https://neatnik.net/robots.txt https://neatnik.net/robots.txt
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - 77pt77 3y ago
    > User-agent: ia_archiver > Disallow: / Denied!
  - flexagoon 3y ago
    Wow, thanks for pointing that out, that made me never want to join omg.lol
    - lucb1e 3y ago
      That's not present on another omglol site that was linked elsewhere in the thread, though. I would agree with you if they automatically set this for everyone. I'm not sure how come that other sites aren't showing up in the archive. (I'm not a customer of theirs or anything, I'm already hosting my own stuff)
- rapnie 3y ago
  This blocking of the archiver may be philosophical, but not a disgreement. Just speculating, but on the fediverse there are quite a few people who feel their social interactions are personal and 'in the moment'. Something akin to the Cozy Web [0] though not being too strict about (everything is still public after all). [0] https://maggieappleton.com/cozy-web https://maggieappleton.com/cozy-web
anjel 3y ago
Works with archive.today: https://archive.is/zAbYO https://archive.is/zAbYO Also works with Ghost Archive: https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ValSP https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ValSP Wayback Machine is arguably a more durable archive site than these other two archives, but the fact that it can be archived elsewhere would indicate that the problem is likely to be on archive.org's end of things rather than omg.lol
- deleted 3y ago
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graypegg 3y ago
That kind of sucks :( So much of the "small internet" of the past people talk about in relation to this stuff, is only really preserved in any significant scale by IA. Hope it's not the operator making a big sweeping decision for all users.
- Grimblewald 3y ago
  Some might argue that is the magic of it. It is much easier to be happy when you miss some things, and look forwars to others. Some listen to radio, or use streaming services in a radio like way (no skipping, no targeted searches) for the same reason, sure they could keep looping their favourite song on whatever platform, but its waaay more exciting when it comes on unexpectabtly. Our interactions having a fleeting nature makes them more special and forces us to be more emotionally involved. Just an alternative take, no a statment of my personal opinion.

yellow_lead 3y ago

Is there a reason for that or they just haven't been archived yet?

Ringz 3y ago
Unlikely. Some people archive every page they visit.

blakewatson 3y ago

Oh wow, you’re right. I wonder what’s up with that.

politelemon 3y ago

Just tried and I see someone else also tried after seeing your comment. > The same snapshot had been made 25 minutes ago. You can make new capture of this URL after 1 hour. But yeah it's strange, nothing appears in the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://bw.omg.lol/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://bw.omg.l...

toomuchtodo 3y ago
It’s possible the site owner has asked the Archive to dark site specific captures. Capture jobs will still run, but they won’t be available publicly (until some future date). You can always run your own crawls with grab site: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site

contrarian1234 3y ago

I think that's great.. archiving should be opt-in not opt-out You can read and access my work/words as I want. And once I don't or change my mind you can't. Once someone posts something, you don't have a right to it in perpetuity .. That's how things should work - but that's just my opinion

leononame 3y ago
I Disagree. There's not a big difference between someone reading your stuff and saving it versus automatic archiving. Being able to delete what you said makes real discourse with a bad actor very hard if not impossible. If you change your mind, you are always free to rectify, but you shouldn't be able to pretend you never said this or that. I know there's a line to draw somewhere, personal blogs aren't our countries' leaders' Twitter accounts or press conferences. Copying someone's copyrighted work in form of an archive might some legal implications I'm not aware of. But keeping things for posteriority is important and I don't believe people should be able to choose what part of their words and actions will be recorded and which won't.
echelon 3y ago
Vehement disagree. Many of the early communities I participated in are gone forever, and it's a shame to think of how much more has been lost to time. In the absolute limit, I hope our future descendents reconstruct the past light cone and can replay all of our biochemical thoughts and emotions. Perhaps even simulating our existence and perception to exacting precision. Maybe they'll get to see t-rexes in their natural habitat, visit lost 90s websites, and feel what taking the organic chemistry final was like.
- contrarian1234 3y ago
  How about if the community participants actively want to have a ephemeral experience that is then deleted for ever? Why do you (as someone who is doing no work and not contributing) have some right to deny them that?
- rd 3y ago
  I’ve had this exact thought a million times. The first time I tripped acid - I remember writing a page of notes on how sad I felt that I would never get to experience the exact way a memory occurred to me in the past. What’s even more saddening is that with tech like Rewind, and what’ll be the future of Rewind in 10-20 years, by 2040, I fully expect all memories/events ever produced to be logged in an almost endless database of all human experience. But - because time is linear, we wouldn’t ever fully be able to simulate the past of say everything before 2030? And that’s just so sad.

burkaman 3y ago

The creator's company website is also excluded: https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://neatnik.net/ https://web.archive.org/web/20230000000000*/https://neatnik..... Maybe some philosophical disagreement?

lucb1e 3y ago
Presumably due to https://neatnik.net/robots.txt https://neatnik.net/robots.txt
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- 77pt77 3y ago
  > User-agent: ia_archiver > Disallow: / Denied!
- flexagoon 3y ago
  Wow, thanks for pointing that out, that made me never want to join omg.lol
  - lucb1e 3y ago
    That's not present on another omglol site that was linked elsewhere in the thread, though. I would agree with you if they automatically set this for everyone. I'm not sure how come that other sites aren't showing up in the archive. (I'm not a customer of theirs or anything, I'm already hosting my own stuff)
rapnie 3y ago
This blocking of the archiver may be philosophical, but not a disgreement. Just speculating, but on the fediverse there are quite a few people who feel their social interactions are personal and 'in the moment'. Something akin to the Cozy Web [0] though not being too strict about (everything is still public after all). [0] https://maggieappleton.com/cozy-web https://maggieappleton.com/cozy-web

anjel 3y ago

Works with archive.today: https://archive.is/zAbYO https://archive.is/zAbYO Also works with Ghost Archive: https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ValSP https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ValSP Wayback Machine is arguably a more durable archive site than these other two archives, but the fact that it can be archived elsewhere would indicate that the problem is likely to be on archive.org's end of things rather than omg.lol

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graypegg 3y ago

That kind of sucks :( So much of the "small internet" of the past people talk about in relation to this stuff, is only really preserved in any significant scale by IA. Hope it's not the operator making a big sweeping decision for all users.

Grimblewald 3y ago
Some might argue that is the magic of it. It is much easier to be happy when you miss some things, and look forwars to others. Some listen to radio, or use streaming services in a radio like way (no skipping, no targeted searches) for the same reason, sure they could keep looping their favourite song on whatever platform, but its waaay more exciting when it comes on unexpectabtly. Our interactions having a fleeting nature makes them more special and forces us to be more emotionally involved. Just an alternative take, no a statment of my personal opinion.