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What's so dystopian about it? Is this just the weird Anglo-Saxon cultural thing of ID cards being way worse than passports and state IDs for incomprehensible re

What's so dystopian about it? Is this just the weird Anglo-Saxon cultural thing of ID cards being way worse than passports and state IDs for incomprehensible reasons?

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
I don't think IDs are dystopian but having so much of our identity and information inside expensive closed-source surveillance devices is somewhat dystopian. The happy path works great but the failure modes are a pain in the ass and it's part of why people lose their shit over lost/broken/stolen phones.
oceanplexian 3y ago
Because of the app wants to “un-person” you all they have to do, intentionally or unintentionally is set a flag in a database and now you cease to have an identity.
proactivesvcs 3y ago
Because increasingly, we don't own or control our phones. Carriers can push any software they like to it, or can be compelled to. Operating system vendors can add, remove or edit features that can restrict our freedoms or for pernicious purposes. App developers have had free reign over tracking our use, despite changes to the rules from big app stores. Simply viewing an image or opening an SMS can trigger a remote code execution, giving our device to an attacker who never knew us, saw us, or targetted us. Everything in your wallet is yours, it doesn't change unless you make the change. No-one can decide what the contents do or what they are, how they watch you or report your behaviour. The contents of a wallet are free.
- thfuran 3y ago
  >Because increasingly, we don't own or control our phones. Carriers can push any software they like to it, or can be compelled to. Operating system vendors can add, remove or edit features that can restrict our freedoms or for pernicious purposes. App developers have had free reign over tracking our use, despite changes to the rules from big app stores. Simply viewing an image or opening an SMS can trigger a remote code execution, giving our device to an attacker who never knew us, saw us, or targetted us. None of that seems to have anything to do with a digital ID.
  - proactivesvcs 3y ago
    My understanding of this thread is that it's about phones being our digital IDs, except we don't control them.
2devnull 3y ago
If you get thrown into the pool with a wallet in your pocket, no big deal. With a cellphone, it’s a $current_iphone_price loss.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  Even if phones were $0 people would be upset because it's all the passwords, accounts, login credentials, second factor, photos (are they backed up!?), call history, etc. Too much is tied up in these things.
- fshr 3y ago
  iPhones are IP68 water resistant.
  - lifestyleguru 3y ago
    They're too expensive and stuff on them too important to test that feature. Apple marketing claims they are, so... Anyway I think most of the cases when iphone falls into the water is when it sinks in it forever.
  - eimrine 3y ago
    Only before the first battery change.
  - 2devnull 3y ago
    Dystopia cancelled. /s Ip68 is a mere 1.5 meters! It’s still a dystopia until we get iso6425.
    - fshr 3y ago
      Maybe you're right, but Apple says the iPhone 15 Pro is safe in up to 6 meters of water for up to 30 minutes

What's so dystopian about it? Is this just the weird Anglo-Saxon cultural thing of ID cards being way worse than passports and state IDs for incomprehensible reasons?

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago

I don't think IDs are dystopian but having so much of our identity and information inside expensive closed-source surveillance devices is somewhat dystopian. The happy path works great but the failure modes are a pain in the ass and it's part of why people lose their shit over lost/broken/stolen phones.

oceanplexian 3y ago

Because of the app wants to “un-person” you all they have to do, intentionally or unintentionally is set a flag in a database and now you cease to have an identity.

proactivesvcs 3y ago

Because increasingly, we don't own or control our phones. Carriers can push any software they like to it, or can be compelled to. Operating system vendors can add, remove or edit features that can restrict our freedoms or for pernicious purposes. App developers have had free reign over tracking our use, despite changes to the rules from big app stores. Simply viewing an image or opening an SMS can trigger a remote code execution, giving our device to an attacker who never knew us, saw us, or targetted us. Everything in your wallet is yours, it doesn't change unless you make the change. No-one can decide what the contents do or what they are, how they watch you or report your behaviour. The contents of a wallet are free.

thfuran 3y ago
>Because increasingly, we don't own or control our phones. Carriers can push any software they like to it, or can be compelled to. Operating system vendors can add, remove or edit features that can restrict our freedoms or for pernicious purposes. App developers have had free reign over tracking our use, despite changes to the rules from big app stores. Simply viewing an image or opening an SMS can trigger a remote code execution, giving our device to an attacker who never knew us, saw us, or targetted us. None of that seems to have anything to do with a digital ID.
- proactivesvcs 3y ago
  My understanding of this thread is that it's about phones being our digital IDs, except we don't control them.

2devnull 3y ago

If you get thrown into the pool with a wallet in your pocket, no big deal. With a cellphone, it’s a $current_iphone_price loss.

2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
Even if phones were $0 people would be upset because it's all the passwords, accounts, login credentials, second factor, photos (are they backed up!?), call history, etc. Too much is tied up in these things.
fshr 3y ago
iPhones are IP68 water resistant.
- lifestyleguru 3y ago
  They're too expensive and stuff on them too important to test that feature. Apple marketing claims they are, so... Anyway I think most of the cases when iphone falls into the water is when it sinks in it forever.
- eimrine 3y ago
  Only before the first battery change.
- 2devnull 3y ago
  Dystopia cancelled. /s Ip68 is a mere 1.5 meters! It’s still a dystopia until we get iso6425.
  - fshr 3y ago
    Maybe you're right, but Apple says the iPhone 15 Pro is safe in up to 6 meters of water for up to 30 minutes