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I want to get a heads-up before you close my account. It's better to give some notice rather than just suddenly deleting it out of the blue. > Should a service

I want to get a heads-up before you close my account. It's better to give some notice rather than just suddenly deleting it out of the blue. > Should a service be forced to keep accounts running in perpetuity? No, but maybe wait for 3–6 months for inactive accounts before closing them permanently.

romanhn 3y ago
I agree with you as far as inactive accounts go, but these TOS terms are typically targeting accounts that are in violation of some rules. Did you experience this or are you worried it might happen? I've usually been notified way in advance if inactivity was going to result in account suspension (only happened once as far as I remember, so not exactly a frequent occurrence).
- LabMechanic 3y ago
  I have issue with phrases like "for any reason at any time" and "without notice". If I lose my account, I want a clear reason, not just a general "you violated our Terms of Service" without any specifics. If I am a terrorist, fine, do not notice me, but in all other cases, I expect you to notice me in advance. For example, Dropbox seems reasonable: "If we do so (discontinuing services), we’ll give you reasonable prior notice so that you can export Your Stuff from our systems ..." "We reserve the right to suspend or terminate your access to the Services with notice to you if Dropbox reasonably believes: ..." https://www.dropbox.com/terms
  - bruce511 3y ago
    All business exists between willing buyer and willing seller. If you don't like the terms of the service, then don't use it.
    - LabMechanic 3y ago
      Suppose you've paid for content (apps, movies, music, games, or services). If your seller can terminate access at any time and for any reason, are you okay with that? The 'don't like it, don't buy it' sentiment appears shortsighted, especially considering that both Android and iOS are operated by two major corporations. Think of banking apps, for example. Banks usually do not favor a tampered OS. Consider: False Sense of Security: A Study on the Effectivity of Jailbreak Detection in Banking Apps https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8806743 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8806743 PS: Yes, you might use another OS, but how would you do your online banking with it? Explain. Another point to your "don't like it, don't buy it"-argument: Suppose you buy a device; further suppose the state is not involved (no warranty). Your device breaks down the moment you bought it, and there is no refund. How do you deal with that, especially if you are low income?
      - bruce511 3y ago
        >>Suppose you've paid for content (apps, movies, music, games, or services). If your seller can terminate access at any time and for any reason, are you okay with that? Sure. If those are terms of the sale then those are the terms of the sale. The seller offers terms. The buyer either accepts them or doesn't. >> Think of banking apps, for example. Banks usually do not favor a tampered OS. Ok, something of a different case, but sure. Banks offer a service, and decide which platforms to offer it on. Banks have denied customers access to banking to specific clients all the time. Lots of Web sites have died for lack of banking services. If the seller is not willing then there's no transaction to be made. >>Suppose you buy a device; further suppose the state is not involved (no warranty). Your device breaks down the moment you bought it, and there is no refund. How do you deal with that, especially if you are low income? This has happened throughout history forever. It's so common there's a -latin- term for it (buyer beware) Caveat Emptor. Which is why govt -does- get involved. And why, well, do your research before buying. Obviously all sorts of industries have all sorts of regulations. Companies take liberties. Govt adds regulations to limit egregious behaviour. But fundamentally the seller offers something, negotiate if you like, or walk away. Fundamentally you're not -entitled- to anything. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
        3y ago

romanhn 3y ago

I agree with you as far as inactive accounts go, but these TOS terms are typically targeting accounts that are in violation of some rules. Did you experience this or are you worried it might happen? I've usually been notified way in advance if inactivity was going to result in account suspension (only happened once as far as I remember, so not exactly a frequent occurrence).

LabMechanic 3y ago
I have issue with phrases like "for any reason at any time" and "without notice". If I lose my account, I want a clear reason, not just a general "you violated our Terms of Service" without any specifics. If I am a terrorist, fine, do not notice me, but in all other cases, I expect you to notice me in advance. For example, Dropbox seems reasonable: "If we do so (discontinuing services), we’ll give you reasonable prior notice so that you can export Your Stuff from our systems ..." "We reserve the right to suspend or terminate your access to the Services with notice to you if Dropbox reasonably believes: ..." https://www.dropbox.com/terms
- bruce511 3y ago
  All business exists between willing buyer and willing seller. If you don't like the terms of the service, then don't use it.
  - LabMechanic 3y ago
    Suppose you've paid for content (apps, movies, music, games, or services). If your seller can terminate access at any time and for any reason, are you okay with that? The 'don't like it, don't buy it' sentiment appears shortsighted, especially considering that both Android and iOS are operated by two major corporations. Think of banking apps, for example. Banks usually do not favor a tampered OS. Consider: False Sense of Security: A Study on the Effectivity of Jailbreak Detection in Banking Apps https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8806743 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8806743 PS: Yes, you might use another OS, but how would you do your online banking with it? Explain. Another point to your "don't like it, don't buy it"-argument: Suppose you buy a device; further suppose the state is not involved (no warranty). Your device breaks down the moment you bought it, and there is no refund. How do you deal with that, especially if you are low income?
    - bruce511 3y ago
      >>Suppose you've paid for content (apps, movies, music, games, or services). If your seller can terminate access at any time and for any reason, are you okay with that? Sure. If those are terms of the sale then those are the terms of the sale. The seller offers terms. The buyer either accepts them or doesn't. >> Think of banking apps, for example. Banks usually do not favor a tampered OS. Ok, something of a different case, but sure. Banks offer a service, and decide which platforms to offer it on. Banks have denied customers access to banking to specific clients all the time. Lots of Web sites have died for lack of banking services. If the seller is not willing then there's no transaction to be made. >>Suppose you buy a device; further suppose the state is not involved (no warranty). Your device breaks down the moment you bought it, and there is no refund. How do you deal with that, especially if you are low income? This has happened throughout history forever. It's so common there's a -latin- term for it (buyer beware) Caveat Emptor. Which is why govt -does- get involved. And why, well, do your research before buying. Obviously all sorts of industries have all sorts of regulations. Companies take liberties. Govt adds regulations to limit egregious behaviour. But fundamentally the seller offers something, negotiate if you like, or walk away. Fundamentally you're not -entitled- to anything. If you don't like it, don't buy it.
      - 3y ago