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I’m not trying to relay information, rather was attempting to make a conceptual point which I’ll restate for clarity: the world is filled with shades of grey.

I’m not trying to relay information, rather was attempting to make a conceptual point which I’ll restate for clarity: the world is filled with shades of grey. Just as some doctors are bad, some vaccines are bad. You can redefine vaccines to be something that can never be bad, and imbue the word with an assumption of safety and efficacy which isn’t deserved. To the contrary we by default assume vaccines are not safe or effective until proven otherwise. Despite this obvious fact, large portions of society have allowed the definition to be altered to where we aren’t even talking about the same things. That includes various health professionals. I tend to group those vaccines that confer herd immunity and “others” and it seems to me that the wording used for the “others” is dynamic and ought not be the same as the word for those that are intended to confer herd immunity. If we used two words, the problem of anti vaxx would be partially ameliorated it seems. But people want little hills to die on.

epcoa 3y ago
> I tend to group those vaccines that confer herd immunity and “others” A little ironic after making a plea that the world is “filled with shades of grey” > ought not be the same as the word for those that are intended to confer herd immunity. This is really based on a misinformed view about vaccines though. > If we used two words, the problem of anti vaxx would be partially ameliorated it seems. Doubt it. Even after Covid the major anti vaxx issue remains childhood vaccines such as MMR.
- 2devnull 3y ago
  “Doubt it.” Is the antivax problem worse after COVID? Why doubt what is empirically very well-established?
dennis_jeeves2 3y ago
>Just as some doctors are bad, some vaccines are bad. I suspect that most doctors are bad, because in general medicine appears to be very medieval to the extent I have explored. Same goes for vaccines. Most seem to be ineffective or harmful, and when they appear to work it can be difficult to attribute it to the vaccine. Quality verifiable evidence and integrity seems to be missing in the medical sciences.

epcoa 3y ago

> I tend to group those vaccines that confer herd immunity and “others” A little ironic after making a plea that the world is “filled with shades of grey” > ought not be the same as the word for those that are intended to confer herd immunity. This is really based on a misinformed view about vaccines though. > If we used two words, the problem of anti vaxx would be partially ameliorated it seems. Doubt it. Even after Covid the major anti vaxx issue remains childhood vaccines such as MMR.

2devnull 3y ago
“Doubt it.” Is the antivax problem worse after COVID? Why doubt what is empirically very well-established?

dennis_jeeves2 3y ago

>Just as some doctors are bad, some vaccines are bad. I suspect that most doctors are bad, because in general medicine appears to be very medieval to the extent I have explored. Same goes for vaccines. Most seem to be ineffective or harmful, and when they appear to work it can be difficult to attribute it to the vaccine. Quality verifiable evidence and integrity seems to be missing in the medical sciences.