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Absolutely. A former student of mine worked for a non profit in Afghanistan (his home country) for a few years. Said non profit was flying in McKinsey consultan

by moravak1984 3y ago

Absolutely. A former student of mine worked for a non profit in Afghanistan (his home country) for a few years. Said non profit was flying in McKinsey consultants for very short gigs at six figures (USD). Same can be said about many LGBT non profits that have shifted their goals in the developed world on the "T" part of the acronym. On countries where marriage equality is a given, no one is going to fund an NGO focused on gay marriage... so they need a new cause to fight for.

_ugfj 3y ago
to me this smells transphobic but it's possible the trans genocide several US states are working on made me oversensitive
- rengle 3y ago
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  - chx 3y ago
    > safeguarding of children against mutilation and sterilisation, I am so, so tired. None of that happens. GnRH analogues are commonly used in gender affirming care, these are reversible. Surgery is not done on minors. > the protection of women's single-sex spaces, Predatory men have absolutely no problems finding opportunities to predate on women. This made up crap need not happen. You are parroting sound bites on issues you have no understanding of. For the sake of humanity, literally, please stop and start reading. You are on a very dark path.
    - rengle 3y ago
      > Surgery is not done on minors. Sadly, this is not true. See for example this paper on 'gender-affirming' mastectomies, where the cohort included girls as young as 12 years old: https://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2022/05004/Gender_Affirming_Mastectomy_Trends_and_Surgical.4.aspx https://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2022/... Also this article from Reuters on rates of 'gender-affirming treatment' in children, from health insurance data, which shows that girls as young as 13 are receiving 'top surgery': https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran... There have been cases of minors getting genital surgery too. For example Susie Green, who used to run the Mermaids charity, is infamous for taking her child to Thailand on his 16th birthday for penis inversion surgery. > Predatory men have absolutely no problems finding opportunities to predate on women. Exactly, any male who disregards women's boundaries and imposes himself on a female-only space is exhibiting predatory behaviour by ignoring the lack of consent. Those males who call themselves women are no exception to this.
      - _ugfj 3y ago
        Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though. If you insist they are , that's denial of trans existence and that's the road to genocide. Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though. If you insist they are , that's denial of trans existence and that's the road to genocide. Apparently I was wrong on top surgeries. I will be more careful with phrasing then. However, sterilization (aka genital surgery) still is not a thing.
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        rengle 3y ago
        > Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though. They are male, by definition. If they were female then they would actually be women, rather than men trying to mimic women - which is the reality of 'trans existence' for these males. They really have no business imposing themselves in female-only spaces. Rejecting this form of male entitlement and keeping them excluded from these spaces that are not for them isn't 'genocide' by any means. That is sheer hyperbole. > However, sterilization (aka genital surgery) still is not a thing. Genital surgery for minors is rarer but it actually a thing that happens. For example, reality television victim Jazz Jennings was sterilised at 17 years old. Here's another male who had his surgery at 16: https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/29/transgender-teen-who-began-transitioning-at-four-is-having-gender-reassignment-surgery-11971828/ https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/29/transgender-teen-who-began-tr... And another: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-6329525/WHO-JACKIE-GREEN-ONE-YOUNGEST-UNDERGO-SEX-AFFIRMATION-SURGERY.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-6329525/WHO-JACKIE-GRE...
      - SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
        Idk man, I think this shit should be between the trans person and their doctor. We already pierce the ears and rip the foreskin off babies, and minors can get boob jobs and nose jobs already. Minors get all manner of drugs prescribed. If a doctor thinks some treatment is appropriate for a kid, okay. If it turns out to be medical malpractice we have the court system for that. Also, I disagree that men in women’s bathrooms is inherently predatory. Frankly, this discriminates against fathers of young children because often one has to bring a daughter into the bathroom or change their infants diaper. Also, the bathroom thing is super weird, like how are you gonna enforce this in a non imposing, non disregarding of boundary way? Already butch women experience harassment for not performing femininity, and there’s news articles where nosy weirdos harass them in bathrooms…
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- aa1234556 3y ago
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- lannisterstark 3y ago
  How is it transphobic to say organizations focused on LGBTQ shifted their alignment for the one part that isn't widely accepted in developed because others for the most part are?
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Its a transphobic conspiracy theory to say, as moravak1984 explicitly did upthread, that they did it for money not because its an actual real issue where they perceive an injustice, whereas the issues where they've already won, and thus are shifting some attention from, are not, or less so, specifically because they have succeeded in shifting the situation on the ground.
    - Ferret7446 3y ago
      Why is it transphobic? Is it not possible for an organization to do something for money? I am not accusing any particular organization of doing so, but it absolutely should be a legitimate concern/question. In fact, I would consider it transphobic to not call out organizations with ulterior motives.
      - chx 3y ago
        The reply to my suspicion from the same person was so transphobic it got removed. I can smell these people from a mile away. Fragments of it survive in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956
  - chx 3y ago
    The reply to my suspicion was so transphobic it got removed. I can smell these people from a mile away. Fragments of it survive in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956
    - rengle 3y ago
      My reply was calling out your ridiculous and hyperbolic claims of "genocide", and examining the reality behind the euphemism.

_ugfj 3y ago

to me this smells transphobic but it's possible the trans genocide several US states are working on made me oversensitive

rengle 3y ago
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- chx 3y ago
  > safeguarding of children against mutilation and sterilisation, I am so, so tired. None of that happens. GnRH analogues are commonly used in gender affirming care, these are reversible. Surgery is not done on minors. > the protection of women's single-sex spaces, Predatory men have absolutely no problems finding opportunities to predate on women. This made up crap need not happen. You are parroting sound bites on issues you have no understanding of. For the sake of humanity, literally, please stop and start reading. You are on a very dark path.
  - rengle 3y ago
    > Surgery is not done on minors. Sadly, this is not true. See for example this paper on 'gender-affirming' mastectomies, where the cohort included girls as young as 12 years old: https://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2022/05004/Gender_Affirming_Mastectomy_Trends_and_Surgical.4.aspx https://journals.lww.com/annalsplasticsurgery/Abstract/2022/... Also this article from Reuters on rates of 'gender-affirming treatment' in children, from health insurance data, which shows that girls as young as 13 are receiving 'top surgery': https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-tran... There have been cases of minors getting genital surgery too. For example Susie Green, who used to run the Mermaids charity, is infamous for taking her child to Thailand on his 16th birthday for penis inversion surgery. > Predatory men have absolutely no problems finding opportunities to predate on women. Exactly, any male who disregards women's boundaries and imposes himself on a female-only space is exhibiting predatory behaviour by ignoring the lack of consent. Those males who call themselves women are no exception to this.
    - _ugfj 3y ago
      Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though. If you insist they are , that's denial of trans existence and that's the road to genocide. Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though. If you insist they are , that's denial of trans existence and that's the road to genocide. Apparently I was wrong on top surgeries. I will be more careful with phrasing then. However, sterilization (aka genital surgery) still is not a thing.
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      - rengle 3y ago
        > Trans women are not males who call themselves women, though. They are male, by definition. If they were female then they would actually be women, rather than men trying to mimic women - which is the reality of 'trans existence' for these males. They really have no business imposing themselves in female-only spaces. Rejecting this form of male entitlement and keeping them excluded from these spaces that are not for them isn't 'genocide' by any means. That is sheer hyperbole. > However, sterilization (aka genital surgery) still is not a thing. Genital surgery for minors is rarer but it actually a thing that happens. For example, reality television victim Jazz Jennings was sterilised at 17 years old. Here's another male who had his surgery at 16: https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/29/transgender-teen-who-began-transitioning-at-four-is-having-gender-reassignment-surgery-11971828/ https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/29/transgender-teen-who-began-tr... And another: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-6329525/WHO-JACKIE-GREEN-ONE-YOUNGEST-UNDERGO-SEX-AFFIRMATION-SURGERY.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/fb-6329525/WHO-JACKIE-GRE...
    - SamoyedFurFluff 3y ago
      Idk man, I think this shit should be between the trans person and their doctor. We already pierce the ears and rip the foreskin off babies, and minors can get boob jobs and nose jobs already. Minors get all manner of drugs prescribed. If a doctor thinks some treatment is appropriate for a kid, okay. If it turns out to be medical malpractice we have the court system for that. Also, I disagree that men in women’s bathrooms is inherently predatory. Frankly, this discriminates against fathers of young children because often one has to bring a daughter into the bathroom or change their infants diaper. Also, the bathroom thing is super weird, like how are you gonna enforce this in a non imposing, non disregarding of boundary way? Already butch women experience harassment for not performing femininity, and there’s news articles where nosy weirdos harass them in bathrooms…
- deleted 3y ago
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aa1234556 3y ago
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lannisterstark 3y ago
How is it transphobic to say organizations focused on LGBTQ shifted their alignment for the one part that isn't widely accepted in developed because others for the most part are?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Its a transphobic conspiracy theory to say, as moravak1984 explicitly did upthread, that they did it for money not because its an actual real issue where they perceive an injustice, whereas the issues where they've already won, and thus are shifting some attention from, are not, or less so, specifically because they have succeeded in shifting the situation on the ground.
  - Ferret7446 3y ago
    Why is it transphobic? Is it not possible for an organization to do something for money? I am not accusing any particular organization of doing so, but it absolutely should be a legitimate concern/question. In fact, I would consider it transphobic to not call out organizations with ulterior motives.
    - chx 3y ago
      The reply to my suspicion from the same person was so transphobic it got removed. I can smell these people from a mile away. Fragments of it survive in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956
- chx 3y ago
  The reply to my suspicion was so transphobic it got removed. I can smell these people from a mile away. Fragments of it survive in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38301956
  - rengle 3y ago
    My reply was calling out your ridiculous and hyperbolic claims of "genocide", and examining the reality behind the euphemism.