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FYI for others, MKBHD just did a video on this and he warned that when using sunbird you are signing onto a physical mac mini somewhere, giving it access to you

• lloeki 3y ago
  Short of someone having fully reverse-engineered iMessage I didn't see it any other way given the way it operates (e.g messages in browser). Their piece about E2E seems especially misleading. I can see how it's "technically true" i.e it's E2E from their servers to the clients + iMessage being E2E itself, but consistent omission of what the E are sounds designed to mislead into thinking that it's device to device. The consequence of a hosted server being pwnd would be catastrophic, essentially meaning full access to the iCloud account. One of the unspoken underpinnings of iMessage not being available on Android is that the endpoint (the phone) might not be secure, so iMessage had a sort of guarantee that its E2E wasn't compromised via that endpoint. Now I wish Apple would just get an iMessage app on Android out of the door. I also don't see how they plan to have this be free forever (and what the business model is), especially given the costs associated with hosted Macs.
  • pseudalopex 3y ago
    > I can see how it's "technically true" i.e it's E2E from their servers to the clients This is not E2E. Their servers are the middle. Not an end.
    • lloeki 3y ago
      I mean I personally don't say it is E2E (it is not), rather than they do by having one E being on their side, and thus their verbiage being misleading.
      • pseudalopex 3y ago
        Call it what it is. Not technically true. Not misleading. False.