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So let me get this straight: The site is being shut down because the owner didn't want to deal with the constant spam of CSAM? Is there a list of websites that

So let me get this straight: The site is being shut down because the owner didn't want to deal with the constant spam of CSAM? Is there a list of websites that have been shut down due to this type of attrition? I'm aware of at least one other site[0] that has met the same fate. It would be interesting to see an exhaustive list. [0] freeimage.us

dragonwriter 3y ago
> So let me get this straight: The site is being shut down because the owner didn't want to deal with the constant spam of CSAM? No, not spam of CSAM (in the sense of distribution of material where the abuse occurred elsewhere), but actual grooming and abuse happening through the site. e.g., https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-man-omegle-make-child-pornography-1000-victims/65-fe368887-f318-492b-99e2-bbbdc5f55705 https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-m... the more specific proximate cause, I believe, is one of the current suits that has gotten past S230 immunity, possibly the ongoing product liability lawsuit: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791
kmeisthax 3y ago
The owner is currently being sued by a woman who used the site as a minor and was matched with a pedophile who convinced her to make and send CSAM. This isn't the usual kind of "CSAM intermediary liablility" lawsuit; the plaintiff is actually making an ordinary product liability claim. i.e. Omegle has no safety bars to keep kids from using the service ergo they are liable for me being abused by an adult. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791
- zug_zug 3y ago
  That seems nuts to me. It's just a generic venue for people meeting people, like a cafe that happens to be online. To me that makes as much sense as suing a cafe because you met somebody there who talked you into illegal activities.
  - op00to 3y ago
    No cafe would allow an adult to sexually groom a child while sitting at a table.
    - gosub100 3y ago
      No parent would allow their child to communicate with a groomer.
      - cosmojg 3y ago
        Well, her parents clearly did.
    - zug_zug 3y ago
      Yes, 90% of cafes would, because just like Omegle, it's not their job or ability to monitor every single interaction between every single person and identify whether a conversation is appropriate. Crimes happen on all technologies and in all venues, and they likely always will.
    - fer 3y ago
      No grooming happened on Omegle, she just shared her personal info there and kept in touch off the platform.
    - nullc 3y ago
      By their own case the explicit activity didn't even take place on omegle. The perv met the kid and went elsewhere. Of course that wouldn't be prevented in a cafe.
- goydefense 3y ago
  The decentralized cryptonet can't come fast enough!
- oynqr 3y ago
  So they sue the platform that got them to meet, but not the one that allowed CSAM to be exchanged?
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    correct, like suing the city because you met a podophile in the city park

dragonwriter 3y ago

> So let me get this straight: The site is being shut down because the owner didn't want to deal with the constant spam of CSAM? No, not spam of CSAM (in the sense of distribution of material where the abuse occurred elsewhere), but actual grooming and abuse happening through the site. e.g., https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-man-omegle-make-child-pornography-1000-victims/65-fe368887-f318-492b-99e2-bbbdc5f55705 https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/virginia-m... the more specific proximate cause, I believe, is one of the current suits that has gotten past S230 immunity, possibly the ongoing product liability lawsuit: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791

kmeisthax 3y ago

The owner is currently being sued by a woman who used the site as a minor and was matched with a pedophile who convinced her to make and send CSAM. This isn't the usual kind of "CSAM intermediary liablility" lawsuit; the plaintiff is actually making an ordinary product liability claim. i.e. Omegle has no safety bars to keep kids from using the service ergo they are liable for me being abused by an adult. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-64618791

zug_zug 3y ago
That seems nuts to me. It's just a generic venue for people meeting people, like a cafe that happens to be online. To me that makes as much sense as suing a cafe because you met somebody there who talked you into illegal activities.
- op00to 3y ago
  No cafe would allow an adult to sexually groom a child while sitting at a table.
  - gosub100 3y ago
    No parent would allow their child to communicate with a groomer.
    - cosmojg 3y ago
      Well, her parents clearly did.
  - zug_zug 3y ago
    Yes, 90% of cafes would, because just like Omegle, it's not their job or ability to monitor every single interaction between every single person and identify whether a conversation is appropriate. Crimes happen on all technologies and in all venues, and they likely always will.
  - fer 3y ago
    No grooming happened on Omegle, she just shared her personal info there and kept in touch off the platform.
  - nullc 3y ago
    By their own case the explicit activity didn't even take place on omegle. The perv met the kid and went elsewhere. Of course that wouldn't be prevented in a cafe.
goydefense 3y ago
The decentralized cryptonet can't come fast enough!
oynqr 3y ago
So they sue the platform that got them to meet, but not the one that allowed CSAM to be exchanged?
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  correct, like suing the city because you met a podophile in the city park