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It was going so well before the sexist and racist shoehorning of 9, especially considering the whole plot of Hereditary is that the matriarch's goal was to murd

It was going so well before the sexist and racist shoehorning of 9, especially considering the whole plot of Hereditary is that the matriarch's goal was to murder and sacrifice her entire family.

08f152b0ba 3y ago
Yes. I was having fun, and I thought the author was obviously having fun, until that bit of joyless boilerplate.
gainda 3y ago
the demon Paimon wanted ( and got ) a male host
- ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
  I was trying not to spoil too much but the demon Paimon is a demon not a mediocre white man, the supposedly contemptible white male dies in pain and horror and his body is then used against his will, hardly a triumph.
  - gainda 3y ago
    for the purposes of satisfying the conditions this article is trying to adhere to it doesn't matter that it's the demon in the body now instead of the man, it matters that the male body was chosen over others. however, if we do consider the demon, the movie has this to say about it: 1. A sentence underlined in pencil reads: "Paimon is Male, thus covetous of a male human body." 2. ... We’ve corrected your first body and give you now this healthy male host. ... maybe the author is trying to say something about the demons masculine preference (it is covetous of, not dependent on - it was in Charlie first) & how that relates to theirs and others experiences in academia when it comes to preferential treatment; and that just male-ness seems to be important absent of any other qualifiers? after all the women in the movie more or less do all the work to appease Paimon - wouldn't the greatest reward as a devotee be to act as his host? maybe i'm crazy but it's been interesting to think about. [ quotes from script: https://assets.scriptslug.com/live/pdf/scripts/hereditary-2018.pdf https://assets.scriptslug.com/live/pdf/scripts/hereditary-20... ]
busterarm 3y ago
It's the same braindead mode of thinking that led Disney to re-interpret Snow White with the men in the movie being creepy and to deemphasize the main plotline where the stepmother is evil and sees her step-daughter as her competition. Men, especially white men, are by-default bad and women have no agency unless they're overcoming men.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  To be clear, you’re talking about Snow White and the huntsman, in which Snow White isn’t even the main character in favor of action huntsman Chris Hemsworth?
  - busterarm 3y ago
    No, I'm talking about the still unreleased live-action remake and what their lead actress has said about the movie.
    - Tao3300 3y ago
      Once upon a time, a woman accidentally pricked her finger over some fresh snow. Observing the sight, she thought, "how gruesome! But Snow White seems like a nice name, nevermind this completely irrelevant scene of blood on snow..."
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Attacking Greta Gerwigs’ first worked-on film after Barbie for “not doing feminism right” before you have seen it is a hot take!
      - busterarm 3y ago
        If you think a two-hour Mattel commercial is where the feminist discourse is right now, then feminism is off in the wilderness. Then again, women are still overwhelmingly the largest consumer spending group and the CEO of Mattel is still a man. Referencing the Barbie movie wrt feminism is about as laughable as the people who think Star Trek is some post-racial utopia -- even though the bad guys are still mostly dark-skinned and virtually every alien race is a monoculture.
gwervc 3y ago
Exactly. The previous points were interesting and I was about to share the article to an East-Asian friend that started a PhD recently. But being a White guy that point would just make it awkward to share it with her.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Why?
- dagenleg 3y ago
  I don't see how yours and your friends ethnicities matter here?
  - kenjackson 3y ago
    I can see it. Especially if he does have some romantic interest in her. There’s the worry if the subtext is that the reason I’m sending this whole article to you is about #9. Just not enough upside for the potential downside.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Nobody said anything about a romantic interest. Most people’s relationship with people of the opposite gender are not romantic at all. Why would this be relevant to bring up?
      - em-bee 3y ago
        it would be a factor in the level of awkwardness. with casual friends a bad reaction would be much less of an issue.
      - kenjackson 3y ago
        It's relevant to bring up because he said it would make him feel awkward to send it. You'd be right if he didn't think it would be awkward to send and he had no romantic interest, even less awkward if he knew she had no romantic interest. But at this point the only thing we know is that he did feel awkward about sending it. Hence the relevance.
mellosouls 3y ago
Meh it's ok, the default white-man-bad trope is indeed tiresome and unimaginative but a slight fail in the context of a clever article is really not a big deal. It's also ok to poke fun at us now and then as well.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  At this point I just chuckle through my moustache and recall the times it happened to me as I swirl some brandy and admire my hunting trophies from my studded leather armchair. Harrumph!
- kaycebasques 3y ago
  I chuckled out loud at that interpretation of Hereditary. It's a good point that the matriarch was horrifyingly evil but come on... that guy was by far the most boring character in that story. Also it's hilarious to think of anybody as coming out "on top" in that situation. And let's be open to the possibility that it feeling like a trope might be an indicator of the situation being truly widespread. When you hear lots of people saying the same thing there's basically two responses: "oh, they're all infected by the same meme" or "hmm... maybe they all really have gone through similar situations..." Most disturbing movie I've ever seen, by the way. Gave me nightmares for a solid week or two. For about 2 years after I would randomly flash onto a couple vivid scenes and it noticeably affect the rest of my day.
  - kenjackson 3y ago
    I have the same feeling with other horror movies. Which is why I stopped watching them around age 10. Is this the reaction you are going for? Or do you find them otherwise so enjoyable that this is the price you’re willing to pay?
    - hotnfresh 3y ago
      Horror’s a wide genre. There are tons of sub-genres that can be anything from cheer-at-the-impressively-gruesome-practical-FX over-the-top-kills slasher, to Star Trek levels of symbolism and metaphor that aren’t meant to be “read” literally, to art film stuff that uses horror tropes and elements but may not even be scary, to cringe-to-your-bones body horror, to deep existential horror that makes all but the most jaded kinda wish they hadn’t watched it. And more. Also, outright comedy horror, which works so well because scares are often adjacent to laughter. Similar tension release, which is what a lot of fans are there for.

It was going so well before the sexist and racist shoehorning of 9, especially considering the whole plot of Hereditary is that the matriarch's goal was to murder and sacrifice her entire family.

08f152b0ba 3y ago

Yes. I was having fun, and I thought the author was obviously having fun, until that bit of joyless boilerplate.

gainda 3y ago

the demon Paimon wanted ( and got ) a male host

ad404b8a372f2b9 3y ago
I was trying not to spoil too much but the demon Paimon is a demon not a mediocre white man, the supposedly contemptible white male dies in pain and horror and his body is then used against his will, hardly a triumph.
- gainda 3y ago
  for the purposes of satisfying the conditions this article is trying to adhere to it doesn't matter that it's the demon in the body now instead of the man, it matters that the male body was chosen over others. however, if we do consider the demon, the movie has this to say about it: 1. A sentence underlined in pencil reads: "Paimon is Male, thus covetous of a male human body." 2. ... We’ve corrected your first body and give you now this healthy male host. ... maybe the author is trying to say something about the demons masculine preference (it is covetous of, not dependent on - it was in Charlie first) & how that relates to theirs and others experiences in academia when it comes to preferential treatment; and that just male-ness seems to be important absent of any other qualifiers? after all the women in the movie more or less do all the work to appease Paimon - wouldn't the greatest reward as a devotee be to act as his host? maybe i'm crazy but it's been interesting to think about. [ quotes from script: https://assets.scriptslug.com/live/pdf/scripts/hereditary-2018.pdf https://assets.scriptslug.com/live/pdf/scripts/hereditary-20... ]

busterarm 3y ago

It's the same braindead mode of thinking that led Disney to re-interpret Snow White with the men in the movie being creepy and to deemphasize the main plotline where the stepmother is evil and sees her step-daughter as her competition. Men, especially white men, are by-default bad and women have no agency unless they're overcoming men.

jncfhnb 3y ago
To be clear, you’re talking about Snow White and the huntsman, in which Snow White isn’t even the main character in favor of action huntsman Chris Hemsworth?
- busterarm 3y ago
  No, I'm talking about the still unreleased live-action remake and what their lead actress has said about the movie.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    Once upon a time, a woman accidentally pricked her finger over some fresh snow. Observing the sight, she thought, "how gruesome! But Snow White seems like a nice name, nevermind this completely irrelevant scene of blood on snow..."
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Attacking Greta Gerwigs’ first worked-on film after Barbie for “not doing feminism right” before you have seen it is a hot take!
    - busterarm 3y ago
      If you think a two-hour Mattel commercial is where the feminist discourse is right now, then feminism is off in the wilderness. Then again, women are still overwhelmingly the largest consumer spending group and the CEO of Mattel is still a man. Referencing the Barbie movie wrt feminism is about as laughable as the people who think Star Trek is some post-racial utopia -- even though the bad guys are still mostly dark-skinned and virtually every alien race is a monoculture.

gwervc 3y ago

Exactly. The previous points were interesting and I was about to share the article to an East-Asian friend that started a PhD recently. But being a White guy that point would just make it awkward to share it with her.

jncfhnb 3y ago
Why?
dagenleg 3y ago
I don't see how yours and your friends ethnicities matter here?
- kenjackson 3y ago
  I can see it. Especially if he does have some romantic interest in her. There’s the worry if the subtext is that the reason I’m sending this whole article to you is about #9. Just not enough upside for the potential downside.
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    Nobody said anything about a romantic interest. Most people’s relationship with people of the opposite gender are not romantic at all. Why would this be relevant to bring up?
    - em-bee 3y ago
      it would be a factor in the level of awkwardness. with casual friends a bad reaction would be much less of an issue.
    - kenjackson 3y ago
      It's relevant to bring up because he said it would make him feel awkward to send it. You'd be right if he didn't think it would be awkward to send and he had no romantic interest, even less awkward if he knew she had no romantic interest. But at this point the only thing we know is that he did feel awkward about sending it. Hence the relevance.

mellosouls 3y ago

Meh it's ok, the default white-man-bad trope is indeed tiresome and unimaginative but a slight fail in the context of a clever article is really not a big deal. It's also ok to poke fun at us now and then as well.

Tao3300 3y ago
At this point I just chuckle through my moustache and recall the times it happened to me as I swirl some brandy and admire my hunting trophies from my studded leather armchair. Harrumph!
kaycebasques 3y ago
I chuckled out loud at that interpretation of Hereditary. It's a good point that the matriarch was horrifyingly evil but come on... that guy was by far the most boring character in that story. Also it's hilarious to think of anybody as coming out "on top" in that situation. And let's be open to the possibility that it feeling like a trope might be an indicator of the situation being truly widespread. When you hear lots of people saying the same thing there's basically two responses: "oh, they're all infected by the same meme" or "hmm... maybe they all really have gone through similar situations..." Most disturbing movie I've ever seen, by the way. Gave me nightmares for a solid week or two. For about 2 years after I would randomly flash onto a couple vivid scenes and it noticeably affect the rest of my day.
- kenjackson 3y ago
  I have the same feeling with other horror movies. Which is why I stopped watching them around age 10. Is this the reaction you are going for? Or do you find them otherwise so enjoyable that this is the price you’re willing to pay?
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    Horror’s a wide genre. There are tons of sub-genres that can be anything from cheer-at-the-impressively-gruesome-practical-FX over-the-top-kills slasher, to Star Trek levels of symbolism and metaphor that aren’t meant to be “read” literally, to art film stuff that uses horror tropes and elements but may not even be scary, to cringe-to-your-bones body horror, to deep existential horror that makes all but the most jaded kinda wish they hadn’t watched it. And more. Also, outright comedy horror, which works so well because scares are often adjacent to laughter. Similar tension release, which is what a lot of fans are there for.