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But if that ML tool is trained on modern video, depending on its capabilities it may subtly modernize aspects of the video in ways that lessen the "past is a fo

But if that ML tool is trained on modern video, depending on its capabilities it may subtly modernize aspects of the video in ways that lessen the "past is a foreign country" effect, leading us to believe that the past was more like the present than it in truth was. It's a trade-off between removing technological barriers between us and the person, so we can connect to their recorded legacy, and removing sociological barriers, which we probably want to preserve.

WalterBright 3y ago
> leading us to believe that the past was more like the present than it in truth was So what? I just don't get this. Can't we just enjoy a much improved film experience? > so we can connect to their recorded legacy, and removing sociological barriers, which we probably want to preserve. Nobody is suggesting destroying the originals.
- kortilla 3y ago
  But what’s the point then? If you’re going to make fake videos might as well just generate a completely new one with actors.
  - WalterBright 3y ago
    Would you rather see a colorized picture of your grandma or a color picture of another woman?
    - kortilla 3y ago
      If the colors are just someone guessing I would honestly not want to see it. I find those kind of wishful fantasies harmful. Not much different than when favorite book is converted to a movie and actors stomp out your imagined characters. If you hadn’t had a picture of your grandma at all, would you want AI to generate one based on a description of her and tell you it’s a picture of your grandma?
      - WalterBright 3y ago
        There is a short movie on Google which is a film of a train rolling into a station, and then the same one sharpened by AI. The second one is marvelous to watch. There's another of a colorized ancient movie of a trolley ride in Europe. It's very fun to watch. Ya know, when people restore old cars, if they want to drive them, they'll usually do a few upgrades to make the car safer and more driveable. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm curious. Do you ever watch and enjoy movies from the 20's and 30's? For the silent flicks, do you think that the music played during the screening by some random starving artist plinking on a crummy piano or squeaking away on a violin is part of the "vision" of the director? Lots of people today simply turn away from any movie that is black and white.
        bredren 3y ago
        I’d like to see rolling data on how people are turning away from lower quality media. Or what premium is being placed on 720p+ video versus standard. There’s a reason video sites offer a filter for HD and YouTube videos get keyword stuffed for 8k even when they aren’t. I am very curious how Apple’s spatial video lands. From reviewer descriptions, the experience is such a major change from standard HD video I am wondering if depthscaling “old” video will become a thing too.
        WalterBright 3y ago
        Personally, I find the constant breaking of the flow in a silent movie so the dialog card can be shown very irritating after a while. It's also annoying that the card is shown for too long (for slow readers) and there's a fair amount of dialog you can lip read that is not on the cards. I seriously doubt dialog cards are part of any director's "vision". The bad music slapped on the DVDs is also a serious turnoff. Music easily makes or breaks a movie. For example, the music on Lord of the Rings adds greatly to my enjoyment of it. The Hobbit music is utterly forgettable, and makes the poor movie even worse. For another example, the movie "Hawaii" has a most excellent music soundtrack. Its sequel, "The Hawaiians", has a completely forgettable soundtrack, which contributes to the movie falling flat on its face. I suspect much of "Star Wars" success came from the music.
    - thsksbd 3y ago
      Another woman than a fake grandma
- kouru225 3y ago
  What they’re saying is that it’s your opinion that that would be an improved experience, and that’s not an objective opinion that other people share.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  Because it's not real, red pill man
hnlmorg 3y ago
The past was more like the present than we like to believe. The past was no more sepia than it was black and white. Just like the 80s wasn’t as bold and neon as pop culture portrays. In media we use colour to exaggerate the differences of the past, to make it feel different and foreign to our senses, rather than represent them accurately. So if you want a more accurate representation then you absolutely should be training your models on modern video.

WalterBright 3y ago

> leading us to believe that the past was more like the present than it in truth was So what? I just don't get this. Can't we just enjoy a much improved film experience? > so we can connect to their recorded legacy, and removing sociological barriers, which we probably want to preserve. Nobody is suggesting destroying the originals.

kortilla 3y ago
But what’s the point then? If you’re going to make fake videos might as well just generate a completely new one with actors.
- WalterBright 3y ago
  Would you rather see a colorized picture of your grandma or a color picture of another woman?
  - kortilla 3y ago
    If the colors are just someone guessing I would honestly not want to see it. I find those kind of wishful fantasies harmful. Not much different than when favorite book is converted to a movie and actors stomp out your imagined characters. If you hadn’t had a picture of your grandma at all, would you want AI to generate one based on a description of her and tell you it’s a picture of your grandma?
    - WalterBright 3y ago
      There is a short movie on Google which is a film of a train rolling into a station, and then the same one sharpened by AI. The second one is marvelous to watch. There's another of a colorized ancient movie of a trolley ride in Europe. It's very fun to watch. Ya know, when people restore old cars, if they want to drive them, they'll usually do a few upgrades to make the car safer and more driveable. And there's nothing wrong with that. I'm curious. Do you ever watch and enjoy movies from the 20's and 30's? For the silent flicks, do you think that the music played during the screening by some random starving artist plinking on a crummy piano or squeaking away on a violin is part of the "vision" of the director? Lots of people today simply turn away from any movie that is black and white.
      - bredren 3y ago
        I’d like to see rolling data on how people are turning away from lower quality media. Or what premium is being placed on 720p+ video versus standard. There’s a reason video sites offer a filter for HD and YouTube videos get keyword stuffed for 8k even when they aren’t. I am very curious how Apple’s spatial video lands. From reviewer descriptions, the experience is such a major change from standard HD video I am wondering if depthscaling “old” video will become a thing too.
        WalterBright 3y ago
        Personally, I find the constant breaking of the flow in a silent movie so the dialog card can be shown very irritating after a while. It's also annoying that the card is shown for too long (for slow readers) and there's a fair amount of dialog you can lip read that is not on the cards. I seriously doubt dialog cards are part of any director's "vision". The bad music slapped on the DVDs is also a serious turnoff. Music easily makes or breaks a movie. For example, the music on Lord of the Rings adds greatly to my enjoyment of it. The Hobbit music is utterly forgettable, and makes the poor movie even worse. For another example, the movie "Hawaii" has a most excellent music soundtrack. Its sequel, "The Hawaiians", has a completely forgettable soundtrack, which contributes to the movie falling flat on its face. I suspect much of "Star Wars" success came from the music.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    Another woman than a fake grandma
kouru225 3y ago
What they’re saying is that it’s your opinion that that would be an improved experience, and that’s not an objective opinion that other people share.
iancmceachern 3y ago
Because it's not real, red pill man

hnlmorg 3y ago

The past was more like the present than we like to believe. The past was no more sepia than it was black and white. Just like the 80s wasn’t as bold and neon as pop culture portrays. In media we use colour to exaggerate the differences of the past, to make it feel different and foreign to our senses, rather than represent them accurately. So if you want a more accurate representation then you absolutely should be training your models on modern video.