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"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

by lamp987 3y ago

snird 3y ago
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- wtfwhateven 3y ago
  Please read the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html before commenting.
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    You should read it yourself, and compare it to your awful posting history.
    - wtfwhateven 3y ago
      There's nothing wrong with my posting history, nor are your personal attacks acceptable or relevant to this thread.
- lamp987 3y ago
  >You fell into the fake news of Hamas led by Qatars money. >the same ones Biden himself confirmed. Didn't know Hamas controls the White House. Huh, TIL. https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-beheading-children-white-house-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-be... >while not denying them killing babies. I never denied Hamas killing babies. Obviously rocket barrages will kill babies. Feel free to quote me.
- fzil 3y ago
  funny how you only care about israeli babies. are the palestinian babies too brown for you to empathize with?
  - invalidname 3y ago
    That's nonsense. I care a lot about Palestinian babies as an Israeli. The Hamas is the reason they are at risk. Anyone who wants to support the Palestinian people needs to understand that the biggest obstacle to a Palestinian state and liberty is the Hamas who is conducting a Jihad. It doesn't care about Palestinian lives and considers them casualties in a holy war. I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted.
    - fzil 3y ago
      > I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted. Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. I think the shootings at the music festival and attacks on other civilians by Hamas were terrible and don’t help the Palestinian cause one bit. But I can’t really blame the Hamas leadership here. After watching the violent dispossession of Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem and incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. But if anyone actually defended the attacks on Israeli civilians they would rightfully be called terrorist sympathizers. So, I’ll hold you to the same standards. Do you stand by your words? Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
      - invalidname 3y ago
        > Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. Nonsense. The difference of intentionally executing babies and children and kidnapping civilians should be stark. Shame on you. Unlike the Hamas Israel tried to have a peaceful solution multiple times. Including a Palestinian state. They are not fighting for their people, they are fighting for their god, it's a war for the purpose of death not liberation. > incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. Just like the Palestinian people are divided so are we. The IDF doesn't want anything, its an army. The current government includes people who are terrible racists and they did the al-Alqsa stuff. They are the Israeli counterparts of the Hamas. I understand that rage and I honestly understood the recent incursions in Jenin, they made sense. They focused on settlers and on the military. > Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? To some degree yes. I do. I think they will need to explain the justification to what they're doing. Unfortunately, Israel never recognized the authority of the Hague court. Also with the weakening democracy in Israel this is even more of a problem. > Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza? The word genocide is problematic here. The IDF specifically issued a clearance warning indicating its targets in advance. That's not something you do if you plan to kill civilians. Calling it ethnic cleansing is untrue at the moment. Even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't back that up. Notice that even now the Hamas is still firing missiles onto Israel and I just walked out of a shelter...
msla 3y ago
Because killing babies is good as long as you don't decapitate them? OK.
- deleted 3y ago
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- lamp987 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
  - invalidname 3y ago
    That is not a straw man argument. If anything you seem to be conducting one by focusing on a single detail to discredit a narrative. Children were executed in cold blood. That's a fact. The method of execution is really irrelevant here.
    - lamp987 3y ago
      >That is not a straw man argument. It is a textbook example of a strawman. He is putting words in my mouth that I never said to debunk my post. That is exactly what strawman fallacy means. Lmao. >If anything you seem to be conducting one by focusing on a single detail to discredit a narrative Another strawman. I merely pointed out it was a hoax, as briefly and straightforwardly as possible. I didnt say anything about any "narrative" at all. >The method of execution is really irrelevant here. It is very relevant when it was explicitely stated. Falsehoods must be pointed out. Relentlessly.
      - invalidname 3y ago
        They published verified photos of dead and burnt babies. You're grasping on literal straws.
        lamp987 3y ago
        >They published verified photos of dead and burnt babies. This is irrelevant to the topic discussed which is "validity of the Israel's claim of decapitated babies". You entered this specific topic and keep derailing it with these claims that are unrelated to the original statement. >You're grasping on literal straws. Literal straws is what grows behind your house. Perhaps you meant figurative straws.
kaycey2022 3y ago
Wait who said it was fabricated? It’s been widely reported to be true afaik
- lamp987 3y ago
  >It’s been widely reported to be true afaik Its been widely reported without evidence existing, which should have been a redflag for anyone with brain. It was just "trust me bro" by the prime minister. Everybody has been slowly backtracking on it over the last 2 days. Including Israel itself: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-b...
  - raxxorraxor 3y ago
    And the statement that it would be fabricated should be taken as it is? Doesn't explain the witnesses though.
    - jules-jules 3y ago
      witnesses: believe me bro
    - lamp987 3y ago
      What is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Israel was being asked about it for days by western media and refuses to provide anything.

"If there was a blockade - how so many weapons got in?" Tunnels. "Decapitating babies." This was fabricated.

snird 3y ago

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wtfwhateven 3y ago
Please read the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html before commenting.
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  You should read it yourself, and compare it to your awful posting history.
  - wtfwhateven 3y ago
    There's nothing wrong with my posting history, nor are your personal attacks acceptable or relevant to this thread.
lamp987 3y ago
>You fell into the fake news of Hamas led by Qatars money. >the same ones Biden himself confirmed. Didn't know Hamas controls the White House. Huh, TIL. https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-beheading-children-white-house-2023-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-be... >while not denying them killing babies. I never denied Hamas killing babies. Obviously rocket barrages will kill babies. Feel free to quote me.
fzil 3y ago
funny how you only care about israeli babies. are the palestinian babies too brown for you to empathize with?
- invalidname 3y ago
  That's nonsense. I care a lot about Palestinian babies as an Israeli. The Hamas is the reason they are at risk. Anyone who wants to support the Palestinian people needs to understand that the biggest obstacle to a Palestinian state and liberty is the Hamas who is conducting a Jihad. It doesn't care about Palestinian lives and considers them casualties in a holy war. I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted.
  - fzil 3y ago
    > I think the bombings are terrible and don't help the Israeli cause one bit. But I can't really blame the leadership here. After watching the photos there's a rage going on here which is exactly what the Hamas wanted. Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. I think the shootings at the music festival and attacks on other civilians by Hamas were terrible and don’t help the Palestinian cause one bit. But I can’t really blame the Hamas leadership here. After watching the violent dispossession of Palestinian homes in East Jerusalem and incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. But if anyone actually defended the attacks on Israeli civilians they would rightfully be called terrorist sympathizers. So, I’ll hold you to the same standards. Do you stand by your words? Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza?
    - invalidname 3y ago
      > Funny how I could use the same logic to defend Hamas. Nonsense. The difference of intentionally executing babies and children and kidnapping civilians should be stark. Shame on you. Unlike the Hamas Israel tried to have a peaceful solution multiple times. Including a Palestinian state. They are not fighting for their people, they are fighting for their god, it's a war for the purpose of death not liberation. > incursions into the al-Alqsa mosque there’s a rage going on here which is exactly what the IDF wanted. Just like the Palestinian people are divided so are we. The IDF doesn't want anything, its an army. The current government includes people who are terrible racists and they did the al-Alqsa stuff. They are the Israeli counterparts of the Hamas. I understand that rage and I honestly understood the recent incursions in Jenin, they made sense. They focused on settlers and on the military. > Do you think that the Israeli leadership is not be blamed for the hundreds of dead infants and thousands of dead kids? To some degree yes. I do. I think they will need to explain the justification to what they're doing. Unfortunately, Israel never recognized the authority of the Hague court. Also with the weakening democracy in Israel this is even more of a problem. > Does the genocidal IDF have no responsibility for telling a million+ Gazans to leave their homes or be bombed to dead? Do you support the ethnic cleansing of Gaza? The word genocide is problematic here. The IDF specifically issued a clearance warning indicating its targets in advance. That's not something you do if you plan to kill civilians. Calling it ethnic cleansing is untrue at the moment. Even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't back that up. Notice that even now the Hamas is still firing missiles onto Israel and I just walked out of a shelter...

msla 3y ago

Because killing babies is good as long as you don't decapitate them? OK.

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lamp987 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
- invalidname 3y ago
  That is not a straw man argument. If anything you seem to be conducting one by focusing on a single detail to discredit a narrative. Children were executed in cold blood. That's a fact. The method of execution is really irrelevant here.
  - lamp987 3y ago
    >That is not a straw man argument. It is a textbook example of a strawman. He is putting words in my mouth that I never said to debunk my post. That is exactly what strawman fallacy means. Lmao. >If anything you seem to be conducting one by focusing on a single detail to discredit a narrative Another strawman. I merely pointed out it was a hoax, as briefly and straightforwardly as possible. I didnt say anything about any "narrative" at all. >The method of execution is really irrelevant here. It is very relevant when it was explicitely stated. Falsehoods must be pointed out. Relentlessly.
    - invalidname 3y ago
      They published verified photos of dead and burnt babies. You're grasping on literal straws.
      - lamp987 3y ago
        >They published verified photos of dead and burnt babies. This is irrelevant to the topic discussed which is "validity of the Israel's claim of decapitated babies". You entered this specific topic and keep derailing it with these claims that are unrelated to the original statement. >You're grasping on literal straws. Literal straws is what grows behind your house. Perhaps you meant figurative straws.

kaycey2022 3y ago

Wait who said it was fabricated? It’s been widely reported to be true afaik

lamp987 3y ago
>It’s been widely reported to be true afaik Its been widely reported without evidence existing, which should have been a redflag for anyone with brain. It was just "trust me bro" by the prime minister. Everybody has been slowly backtracking on it over the last 2 days. Including Israel itself: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-b...
- raxxorraxor 3y ago
  And the statement that it would be fabricated should be taken as it is? Doesn't explain the witnesses though.
  - jules-jules 3y ago
    witnesses: believe me bro
  - lamp987 3y ago
    What is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Israel was being asked about it for days by western media and refuses to provide anything.