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> ...Russians planned a few weeks to take. According to who? Are you intentionally demonstrating how silly pro-Ukrainian propaganda is? Russia made the objecti

> ...Russians planned a few weeks to take. According to who? Are you intentionally demonstrating how silly pro-Ukrainian propaganda is? Russia made the objectives very clear from the beginning: demilitarization and denazification. I don't think anyone aware of that could come away thinking "Yeah, so obviously they expect to accomplish that in a few weeks."

wojciii 3y ago
Russia lies. All the time. The objective has been genocide and this is what has been happening in some places. I clearly remember mobile crematories which were not a propaganda plot from Ukraine. I also clearly remember Russian officers having reservations for the coming weekend after the 3 day SMO in the capital of Ukraine.
- anticodon 3y ago
  > The objective has been genocide and this is what has been happening in some places. Can you define genocide? Can you pinpoint a difference between Russian and Ukrainian? Considering that it was historically one country for centuries, Ukraine exists only for the last 30 years. How comes that Russia wants to "genocide" Ukrainians, but most of the refugees from the war fled to Russia and live happily here?
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    > Considering that it was historically one country for centuries, And you were part of your mother for 9 months. I assume you've separated by now, right?
    - anticodon 3y ago
      BTW, I can't reply to the other two comments, I guess the authors banned me. But my grand-grandparents are from Ukraine. Am I Russian or Ukrainian? I guess there are hundreds of thousands of people like me fighting on Russian side (as I said, we were one country for centuries). This is more a civil war, nothing like a genocide. Here many people consider it a civil war for sure. In Ukraine also, but they have no voice. Also, if it is a genocide, why "bloodthirsty" Russians haven't killed all population of Crimea since 2014 - it would be so much easier. On the contrary, nobody was killed in Crimea. It's a weird genocide. But only a "Russian troll" would understand.
      - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
        > Am I Russian or Ukrainian? your choice. > On the contrary, nobody was killed in Crimea So I knick your wallet, car and house without killing you is ok? Enough, shill.
        wojciii 3y ago
        This is pointless. The person is beyond help. :) Strangely the shit he writes is so close to their playbook that my head hurts.
        anticodon 3y ago
        I asked you to defined what is genocide and how you can call what's going on in Ukraine a "genocide". You failed to reply to either question. Because it's clearly not a genocide. Even UN acknowledged that. So, instead you're repeating propaganda lines you've read yesterday in WaPo or Bloomberg or BBC, in order to deflect the direct question. And call me "brainwashed". I'm not sure who's really brainwashed here.
        dragonwriter 3y ago
        > I asked you to defined what is genocide and how you can call what's going on in Ukraine a "genocide". [...] Because it's clearly not a genocide. Even UN acknowledged that. No, it didn't. The most recent on the issue of genocide from the UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine: “The Commission is also concerned about allegations of genocide in Ukraine. For instance, some of the rhetoric transmitted in Russian state and other media may constitute incitement to genocide. The Commission is continuing its investigations on such issues.” https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/un-commission-inquiry-ukraine-finds-continued-systematic-and-widespread-use https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/un-commissio...
      - wojciii 3y ago
        No one banned you.
  - martinko 3y ago
    > most of the refugees from the war fled to Russia and live happily here You are lost, brother.
  - wojciii 3y ago
    You are either a troll or a Russian which believes the propaganda. In any case you kind sir seem to be full of shit. :) You are spewing the kind of lies that are typical of Russian propaganda. It might work on some people but I don't think that it will work here. Too much cleverness in one place. Good luck. You're going to need it
martinko 3y ago
> denazification surprised to see this delusion on hn.
- sennight 3y ago
  Delusion on whose part? That was an explicitly stated objective. It has been a long known and well documented fact that Ukraine has an abundance of neo-nazis, a magnitude like nowhere else. So much so that the ADL had to run interference with the goofiest defense: "All those pictures of captured Ukrainian soldiers with swastikas? Ironic race-hate... they're just trolling guyz!"
_kbh_ 3y ago
> According to who? Are you intentionally demonstrating how silly pro-Ukrainian propaganda is? Russia made the objectives very clear from the beginning: demilitarization and denazification. I don't think anyone aware of that could come away thinking "Yeah, so obviously they expect to accomplish that in a few weeks." Considering that two Russian state run news outlets RIA and Sputnik automatically posted a victory article less then a week into the war and then quickly deleted it, I dare say they expected this war to not take very long.

wojciii 3y ago

Russia lies. All the time. The objective has been genocide and this is what has been happening in some places. I clearly remember mobile crematories which were not a propaganda plot from Ukraine. I also clearly remember Russian officers having reservations for the coming weekend after the 3 day SMO in the capital of Ukraine.

anticodon 3y ago
> The objective has been genocide and this is what has been happening in some places. Can you define genocide? Can you pinpoint a difference between Russian and Ukrainian? Considering that it was historically one country for centuries, Ukraine exists only for the last 30 years. How comes that Russia wants to "genocide" Ukrainians, but most of the refugees from the war fled to Russia and live happily here?
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago
  > Considering that it was historically one country for centuries, And you were part of your mother for 9 months. I assume you've separated by now, right?
  - anticodon 3y ago
    BTW, I can't reply to the other two comments, I guess the authors banned me. But my grand-grandparents are from Ukraine. Am I Russian or Ukrainian? I guess there are hundreds of thousands of people like me fighting on Russian side (as I said, we were one country for centuries). This is more a civil war, nothing like a genocide. Here many people consider it a civil war for sure. In Ukraine also, but they have no voice. Also, if it is a genocide, why "bloodthirsty" Russians haven't killed all population of Crimea since 2014 - it would be so much easier. On the contrary, nobody was killed in Crimea. It's a weird genocide. But only a "Russian troll" would understand.
    - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
      > Am I Russian or Ukrainian? your choice. > On the contrary, nobody was killed in Crimea So I knick your wallet, car and house without killing you is ok? Enough, shill.
      - wojciii 3y ago
        This is pointless. The person is beyond help. :) Strangely the shit he writes is so close to their playbook that my head hurts.
        anticodon 3y ago
        I asked you to defined what is genocide and how you can call what's going on in Ukraine a "genocide". You failed to reply to either question. Because it's clearly not a genocide. Even UN acknowledged that. So, instead you're repeating propaganda lines you've read yesterday in WaPo or Bloomberg or BBC, in order to deflect the direct question. And call me "brainwashed". I'm not sure who's really brainwashed here.
        dragonwriter 3y ago
        > I asked you to defined what is genocide and how you can call what's going on in Ukraine a "genocide". [...] Because it's clearly not a genocide. Even UN acknowledged that. No, it didn't. The most recent on the issue of genocide from the UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine: “The Commission is also concerned about allegations of genocide in Ukraine. For instance, some of the rhetoric transmitted in Russian state and other media may constitute incitement to genocide. The Commission is continuing its investigations on such issues.” https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/un-commission-inquiry-ukraine-finds-continued-systematic-and-widespread-use https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/un-commissio...
    - wojciii 3y ago
      No one banned you.
- martinko 3y ago
  > most of the refugees from the war fled to Russia and live happily here You are lost, brother.
- wojciii 3y ago
  You are either a troll or a Russian which believes the propaganda. In any case you kind sir seem to be full of shit. :) You are spewing the kind of lies that are typical of Russian propaganda. It might work on some people but I don't think that it will work here. Too much cleverness in one place. Good luck. You're going to need it

martinko 3y ago

> denazification surprised to see this delusion on hn.

sennight 3y ago
Delusion on whose part? That was an explicitly stated objective. It has been a long known and well documented fact that Ukraine has an abundance of neo-nazis, a magnitude like nowhere else. So much so that the ADL had to run interference with the goofiest defense: "All those pictures of captured Ukrainian soldiers with swastikas? Ironic race-hate... they're just trolling guyz!"

_kbh_ 3y ago

> According to who? Are you intentionally demonstrating how silly pro-Ukrainian propaganda is? Russia made the objectives very clear from the beginning: demilitarization and denazification. I don't think anyone aware of that could come away thinking "Yeah, so obviously they expect to accomplish that in a few weeks." Considering that two Russian state run news outlets RIA and Sputnik automatically posted a victory article less then a week into the war and then quickly deleted it, I dare say they expected this war to not take very long.