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Nope. Not even IE10. If they pop Webkit rendering into IE maybe we'd consider it. There also just aren't that many users showing up to our site using IE. That

Nope. Not even IE10. If they pop Webkit rendering into IE maybe we'd consider it. There also just aren't that many users showing up to our site using IE. That graph in the article is straight from Google Analytics for our main landing page.

javajosh 14y ago
What about IE with Chrome Frame? http://www.google.com/chromeframe http://www.google.com/chromeframe
- tylerrooney 14y ago
  I think you could just use Chrome Frame if it was absolutely required but it's just never come up.
justincormack 14y ago
IE 10 is a high quality standards compliant browser. Webkit rendering is not the web. You should support it. And Opera. And IE9 unless you absolutely require features it does not support.
- btipling 14y ago
  You lost me at "And Opera"
- batista 14y ago
  Webkit rendering is not the web, true. That's sad though. I'd rather it WAS the web, and we could go on and improve on it (new image apis, sound apis, acceleration, etc), instead of reinventing various variations of the wheel (ie. basic html rendering). As for Opera, should they support any oddball browser engine out there with it's particular quirks? Two words for you: "opportunity cost".
- tomjen3 14y ago
  Has there ever been a business case for supporting Opera?
  - DanBC 14y ago
    You need a business case to write standards compliant accessible code that is browser agnostic? WWW - as envisioned by Berners Lee - is getting worse. > Berners-Lee identifies universality as one of Web’s key principles, providing people with the freedom to link to anything, regardless of hardware, software, or Internet connection.
    - mattbriggs 14y ago
      I would say that the responsibility on the developer for that vision to occur is to write standards compliant code. Working around bugs or quirks in a specific browser I think falls into the realm of business case.
      - Isofarro 14y ago
        "Works in WebKit" isn't necessarily equated to "write standards compliant code". For organisations that manage to develop a website that requires a $100,000 outlay to work in Internet Explorer, that can't possibly be a web standards compliant code base they are starting from.
    - tomjen3 14y ago
      Yes I do. I pay my rent with money, not with good intentions by some guy who has been granted a nighthood. That said I assume a fairly standard webpage is rendered decently in Opera so I wouldn't block it (as I would haave done to IE if it had had the market share of opera).
ars 14y ago
Wait - do you actively block IE or do you just ignore it in testing? If you just ignore it in testing, fine. But if you actively block it then you are evil and no one should copy you.

javajosh 14y ago

What about IE with Chrome Frame? http://www.google.com/chromeframe http://www.google.com/chromeframe

tylerrooney 14y ago
I think you could just use Chrome Frame if it was absolutely required but it's just never come up.

justincormack 14y ago

IE 10 is a high quality standards compliant browser. Webkit rendering is not the web. You should support it. And Opera. And IE9 unless you absolutely require features it does not support.

btipling 14y ago
You lost me at "And Opera"
batista 14y ago
Webkit rendering is not the web, true. That's sad though. I'd rather it WAS the web, and we could go on and improve on it (new image apis, sound apis, acceleration, etc), instead of reinventing various variations of the wheel (ie. basic html rendering). As for Opera, should they support any oddball browser engine out there with it's particular quirks? Two words for you: "opportunity cost".
tomjen3 14y ago
Has there ever been a business case for supporting Opera?
- DanBC 14y ago
  You need a business case to write standards compliant accessible code that is browser agnostic? WWW - as envisioned by Berners Lee - is getting worse. > Berners-Lee identifies universality as one of Web’s key principles, providing people with the freedom to link to anything, regardless of hardware, software, or Internet connection.
  - mattbriggs 14y ago
    I would say that the responsibility on the developer for that vision to occur is to write standards compliant code. Working around bugs or quirks in a specific browser I think falls into the realm of business case.
    - Isofarro 14y ago
      "Works in WebKit" isn't necessarily equated to "write standards compliant code". For organisations that manage to develop a website that requires a $100,000 outlay to work in Internet Explorer, that can't possibly be a web standards compliant code base they are starting from.
  - tomjen3 14y ago
    Yes I do. I pay my rent with money, not with good intentions by some guy who has been granted a nighthood. That said I assume a fairly standard webpage is rendered decently in Opera so I wouldn't block it (as I would haave done to IE if it had had the market share of opera).

ars 14y ago

Wait - do you actively block IE or do you just ignore it in testing? If you just ignore it in testing, fine. But if you actively block it then you are evil and no one should copy you.