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The fine is actually 200 yuan, but the salary, over 1 million yuan, which he received while working remotely has been deemed as "illegal income" and subject to

by lziest 3y ago

The fine is actually 200 yuan, but the salary, over 1 million yuan, which he received while working remotely has been deemed as "illegal income" and subject to confiscation.

b112 3y ago
Having your income confiscated is very much a "fine".
- mark_up 3y ago
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- npteljes 3y ago
  Not really. Confiscating the illegal earnings is not part of the punishment, the fine is just the extra part.
  - b112 3y ago
    What?! He did the work, likely diligently and with aplomb. He performed excellent work, in exchange for money. And then a third party, the government, who had no part in this, took money from him. No matter how it was assessed, was a fine.
    - npteljes 3y ago
      I disagree. I don't like the their govt rules, and I especially condemn their lack of rule of law and selective enforcement, but the fine is 200, and the rest is the confiscation of illegal earnings. I do wonder where the employer is in this picture. Who are they? Do they not protect their employee? It's well known that VPN and GitHub is banned in China, did they make this netizen use the VPN and the illegal service knowingly? Did the netizen use these knowing it's illegal, or were they misled to believe they have legal access? Was the employee a remote contractor of sorts?
- lziest 3y ago
  There is a difference, at least in China. Confiscation of properties can happen immediately while the fine has to be paid later. On the contrary, there was another piece of ridiculous news in China: in year 2022, an old farmer profited 14 yuan in buying (from a neighbour) then selling 35kilo of celery, which were later found to contain exceeding amounts of pesticide. His profit was confiscated, and he was fined 50K yuan! He never paid the fine since he couldn't afford it. The fine was doubled. Eventually the fine was waived when the law enforcement agency sought a property confiscation in lieu of the fine through the courts.
throwaway290 3y ago
Let's not forget about others who got fined a bit more than 200 yuan of course (like dozens of years behind bars https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/student-sentenced-06082023154805.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/student-sentenced-06...)

by lziest 3y ago

The fine is actually 200 yuan, but the salary, over 1 million yuan, which he received while working remotely has been deemed as "illegal income" and subject to confiscation.

b112 3y ago

Having your income confiscated is very much a "fine".

mark_up 3y ago
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npteljes 3y ago
Not really. Confiscating the illegal earnings is not part of the punishment, the fine is just the extra part.
- b112 3y ago
  What?! He did the work, likely diligently and with aplomb. He performed excellent work, in exchange for money. And then a third party, the government, who had no part in this, took money from him. No matter how it was assessed, was a fine.
  - npteljes 3y ago
    I disagree. I don't like the their govt rules, and I especially condemn their lack of rule of law and selective enforcement, but the fine is 200, and the rest is the confiscation of illegal earnings. I do wonder where the employer is in this picture. Who are they? Do they not protect their employee? It's well known that VPN and GitHub is banned in China, did they make this netizen use the VPN and the illegal service knowingly? Did the netizen use these knowing it's illegal, or were they misled to believe they have legal access? Was the employee a remote contractor of sorts?
lziest 3y ago
There is a difference, at least in China. Confiscation of properties can happen immediately while the fine has to be paid later. On the contrary, there was another piece of ridiculous news in China: in year 2022, an old farmer profited 14 yuan in buying (from a neighbour) then selling 35kilo of celery, which were later found to contain exceeding amounts of pesticide. His profit was confiscated, and he was fined 50K yuan! He never paid the fine since he couldn't afford it. The fine was doubled. Eventually the fine was waived when the law enforcement agency sought a property confiscation in lieu of the fine through the courts.

throwaway290 3y ago

Let's not forget about others who got fined a bit more than 200 yuan of course (like dozens of years behind bars https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/student-sentenced-06082023154805.html https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/student-sentenced-06...)