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There should be a `curl | sh` in this, a security-oriented product? To demonstrate how badly you need it, perhaps? Please don't pipe the Internet directly int

There should be a `curl | sh` in this, a security-oriented product? To demonstrate how badly you need it, perhaps? Please don't pipe the Internet directly into your command line.

HL33tibCe7 3y ago
Ah yes, because using a package manager to pipe the internet directly into our computer instead is so much better.
- nicce 3y ago
  Yes. Proper package manager usually proceeds to install only signed packages. It means that usually OS maintainer has verified the purpose of the package. It gives a quite lot more trust than running arbitrary content as shell script, without any third party verification.
  - HL33tibCe7 3y ago
    Verified using a public key that you acquire over HTTPS, the exact same channel that you trust with curl | sh
    - nicce 3y ago
      From above: > , without any third party verification. Certificate provider does not verify packages nor anything what is coming from there. Server even might be just proxy.
      - HL33tibCe7 3y ago
        The exact same problem exists with the channel that you acquire the public key you trust from. You’re still fundamentally trusting HTTPS to the package provider - you’re just trusting it at a different point.
        nicce 3y ago
        Usually keyring is separate package which is also signed with a key which can be verified from multiple different sources. Of course, if you are a target of nation state attack, which fakes public keys from all sources by MITMn DNSs and servers, you might end up with the wrong package. But that threat model is totally different.
  - misnome 3y ago
    Until you want to use software that it doesn't have, and then you are adding third-party repositories. Which is still just code from the internet.
insanitybit 3y ago
I feel like "curl | sh is fine" has been explained so many times at this point idk how people still aren't on the same page. If you hate "curl | sh" so much I'm sure they can provide some other method of installation.

There should be a `curl | sh` in this, a security-oriented product? To demonstrate how badly you need it, perhaps? Please don't pipe the Internet directly into your command line.

HL33tibCe7 3y ago

Ah yes, because using a package manager to pipe the internet directly into our computer instead is so much better.

nicce 3y ago
Yes. Proper package manager usually proceeds to install only signed packages. It means that usually OS maintainer has verified the purpose of the package. It gives a quite lot more trust than running arbitrary content as shell script, without any third party verification.
- HL33tibCe7 3y ago
  Verified using a public key that you acquire over HTTPS, the exact same channel that you trust with curl | sh
  - nicce 3y ago
    From above: > , without any third party verification. Certificate provider does not verify packages nor anything what is coming from there. Server even might be just proxy.
    - HL33tibCe7 3y ago
      The exact same problem exists with the channel that you acquire the public key you trust from. You’re still fundamentally trusting HTTPS to the package provider - you’re just trusting it at a different point.
      - nicce 3y ago
        Usually keyring is separate package which is also signed with a key which can be verified from multiple different sources. Of course, if you are a target of nation state attack, which fakes public keys from all sources by MITMn DNSs and servers, you might end up with the wrong package. But that threat model is totally different.
- misnome 3y ago
  Until you want to use software that it doesn't have, and then you are adding third-party repositories. Which is still just code from the internet.

insanitybit 3y ago

I feel like "curl | sh is fine" has been explained so many times at this point idk how people still aren't on the same page. If you hate "curl | sh" so much I'm sure they can provide some other method of installation.