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Why such archaic examples? Imagine visiting this website, Hacker News, to read a few posts/discussions. Does the idea of circumventing a refresh offend you? Yo

Why such archaic examples? Imagine visiting this website, Hacker News, to read a few posts/discussions. Does the idea of circumventing a refresh offend you? You could click into a threaded discussion (from the homepage) and back without triggering a reload or needing the data beforehand. Other than the indexability problem, it seems like an ideal solution. In many use cases, the indexability problem is actually a feature too.

eimrine 3y ago
> Why such archaic examples? I haven't understood why apps are not what you ask, so I tried to remember some well-known technologies/approaches. > Does the idea of circumventing a refresh offend you? Yes because I prefer to request things from online when I want but not when my device wants.
- shanebellone 3y ago
  "I haven't understood why apps are not what you ask, so I tried to remember some well-known technologies/approaches." I'm talking about websites that function like apps but have the privacy/security benefits of being sandboxed inside the browser (accessed by URL or link). It seems we may be talking about different things. I am not advocating for downloadable apps (I've never liked the app store paradigm nor the access it grants random developers). I'm advocating for more capable websites (which IMO "ought" to protect user data--not leverage it).
  - eimrine 3y ago
    > I'm talking about websites that function like apps but have the privacy/security benefits of being sandboxed inside the browser (accessed by URL or link). What privacy benefits are not being realized by the current approach? If I want privacy, I can just disable JS for not letting some website know too much about my device. But in general, privacy is a joke since Edward Snowden's revelations. > I'm advocating for more capable websites (which IMO "ought" to protect user data--not leverage it). What opportunities are not being realized with the current approach? Who will be responsible for protecting user data, given that every website/resource/service strives to sell Alphabet/Meta as much data about you as possible.

eimrine 3y ago

> Why such archaic examples? I haven't understood why apps are not what you ask, so I tried to remember some well-known technologies/approaches. > Does the idea of circumventing a refresh offend you? Yes because I prefer to request things from online when I want but not when my device wants.

shanebellone 3y ago
"I haven't understood why apps are not what you ask, so I tried to remember some well-known technologies/approaches." I'm talking about websites that function like apps but have the privacy/security benefits of being sandboxed inside the browser (accessed by URL or link). It seems we may be talking about different things. I am not advocating for downloadable apps (I've never liked the app store paradigm nor the access it grants random developers). I'm advocating for more capable websites (which IMO "ought" to protect user data--not leverage it).
- eimrine 3y ago
  > I'm talking about websites that function like apps but have the privacy/security benefits of being sandboxed inside the browser (accessed by URL or link). What privacy benefits are not being realized by the current approach? If I want privacy, I can just disable JS for not letting some website know too much about my device. But in general, privacy is a joke since Edward Snowden's revelations. > I'm advocating for more capable websites (which IMO "ought" to protect user data--not leverage it). What opportunities are not being realized with the current approach? Who will be responsible for protecting user data, given that every website/resource/service strives to sell Alphabet/Meta as much data about you as possible.