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> Interesting how the immigration policies are the biggest contributing factor to this situation. If you listen to the PM, yes. Another major factor (actually

> Interesting how the immigration policies are the biggest contributing factor to this situation. If you listen to the PM, yes. Another major factor (actually the biggest?) is Sweden's among European countries relatively unique hardline and boneheaded stance on recreational drugs including cannabis, which has contributed to growth and strengthening of criminal gangs who fund themselves and maintain territory by drug trade, simultaneously silently pushing otherwise law-abiding citizens into the criminal sphere, furthering the split into parallel societies. Basically the opposite of the Portugal approach. There are arguments that the law on sex work (buying sexual services is a crime; selling is not) has been having similar effect. If you believe it was naivete behind the open immigration policy, well, you could still say the same here.

BrandoElFollito 3y ago
The drug laws in France are the same if not more conservative (they include denial for medical use of cannabis for instance). Same for euthanasia. At least we have a strong abortion law thanks to Ms Veil and others that fought for it in the 70's.
- Legogris 3y ago
  I am pretty sure that even in France, getting caught with possession of <1g of cannabis while nowhere near a vehicle won't be very likely to get you detained, fined 1000s of EUR-equivalent and having your drivers license restricted pending you showing up for regular urine samples. This is roughly what you should expect if you get busted carrying one joint in Sweden. Source: Some people around my social circle smoked back in uni.
  - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
    Well, this is not that extreme indeed. Is what you are writing a true expectation, or rather an extreme case?
    - Legogris 3y ago
      Let's say it's probably a more likely outcome than a police officer on patrol wiffing a smell looking the other way. Aside: I'm curious what these numbers would be for other European countries: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37758402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37758402 > Sweden has about 8600 people in prison so about 37% of their prison population is in there for "drug offenses"
    - hesto 3y ago
      It's true. Took 18months fighting to get drivers license back. Source: it happened to me.

BrandoElFollito 3y ago

The drug laws in France are the same if not more conservative (they include denial for medical use of cannabis for instance). Same for euthanasia. At least we have a strong abortion law thanks to Ms Veil and others that fought for it in the 70's.

Legogris 3y ago
I am pretty sure that even in France, getting caught with possession of <1g of cannabis while nowhere near a vehicle won't be very likely to get you detained, fined 1000s of EUR-equivalent and having your drivers license restricted pending you showing up for regular urine samples. This is roughly what you should expect if you get busted carrying one joint in Sweden. Source: Some people around my social circle smoked back in uni.
- BrandoElFollito 3y ago
  Well, this is not that extreme indeed. Is what you are writing a true expectation, or rather an extreme case?
  - Legogris 3y ago
    Let's say it's probably a more likely outcome than a police officer on patrol wiffing a smell looking the other way. Aside: I'm curious what these numbers would be for other European countries: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37758402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37758402 > Sweden has about 8600 people in prison so about 37% of their prison population is in there for "drug offenses"
  - hesto 3y ago
    It's true. Took 18months fighting to get drivers license back. Source: it happened to me.