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Yes, in that they don't allow unfettered access to the internet outside their borders. As a soverign nation who cares for their citizens' state of mind as well

Yes, in that they don't allow unfettered access to the internet outside their borders. As a soverign nation who cares for their citizens' state of mind as well as physical security, why would you not do this in addition to defending your border?

thfuran 3y ago
Would you want physical borders defended by locking all the citizens in as well?
- bamboozeell 3y ago
  Where did I say that is how I think physical borders should be defended? In any case, even in a largely "free" country, I'm not entirely free to leave when and to where I might want.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    >Where did I say that is how I think physical borders should be defended? Where did I say you said that? Indeed, had you, I wouldn't have asked. But surely you see the similarities: Blocking non-domestic Internet stuff is imposing restrictions on what information/systems citizens are able to access, effectively curtailing the digital equivalent of a right to travel. >In any case, even in a largely "free" country, I'm not entirely free to leave when and to where I might want. What "free" country imposes routine restrictions on its citizens leaving? That you may be denied entry anywhere else is a related but separate issue.
    - bamboozeell 3y ago
      >Where did I say you said that? In your previous comment: >>Would you want physical borders defended by locking all the citizens in as well? The answer is no, but I don't know on what basis you asked the question. Unless, that is, you mean "If you compared the data access policy of one country to another, you must also be in favour of the physical access policy of that first country". Which, frankly, is an absurd stretch. I was very careful in the wording of my original comment. >What "free" country imposes routine restrictions on its citizens leaving? The analogy between free physical movement and free flow of data isn't perfect, but no analogy is. There are places in the world I can't go. I must carry certain paperwork if I wish to travel at all. I am limited to certain entry and exit locations. I certainly can't invite an aribitrary human to visit me in my country.

thfuran 3y ago

Would you want physical borders defended by locking all the citizens in as well?

bamboozeell 3y ago
Where did I say that is how I think physical borders should be defended? In any case, even in a largely "free" country, I'm not entirely free to leave when and to where I might want.
- thfuran 3y ago
  >Where did I say that is how I think physical borders should be defended? Where did I say you said that? Indeed, had you, I wouldn't have asked. But surely you see the similarities: Blocking non-domestic Internet stuff is imposing restrictions on what information/systems citizens are able to access, effectively curtailing the digital equivalent of a right to travel. >In any case, even in a largely "free" country, I'm not entirely free to leave when and to where I might want. What "free" country imposes routine restrictions on its citizens leaving? That you may be denied entry anywhere else is a related but separate issue.
  - bamboozeell 3y ago
    >Where did I say you said that? In your previous comment: >>Would you want physical borders defended by locking all the citizens in as well? The answer is no, but I don't know on what basis you asked the question. Unless, that is, you mean "If you compared the data access policy of one country to another, you must also be in favour of the physical access policy of that first country". Which, frankly, is an absurd stretch. I was very careful in the wording of my original comment. >What "free" country imposes routine restrictions on its citizens leaving? The analogy between free physical movement and free flow of data isn't perfect, but no analogy is. There are places in the world I can't go. I must carry certain paperwork if I wish to travel at all. I am limited to certain entry and exit locations. I certainly can't invite an aribitrary human to visit me in my country.