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I'm Korean and if I were to write an article titled "Program like the cowboys of old west" (I've no clue what that article will be about but), would Americans b

I'm Korean and if I were to write an article titled "Program like the cowboys of old west" (I've no clue what that article will be about but), would Americans be offended? Within Korean culture, Doh (도) is a same concept as Tao but I'm not offended. I think you are being overly sensitive.

cglong 3y ago
> if I were to write an article titled "Program like the cowboys of old west" (I've no clue what that article will be about but) It'd be about this! :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding
Jtsummers 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding And as an American, I would not be offended. Cowboy coders might be if the article is approaching it from the derogatory perspective.
dhosek 3y ago
The big difference is that Tao has religious overtones to it, while cowboys of the Old West, doesn’t. I think OP was more concerned about the fact that this is grabbing something out of another culture and potentially misusing it or using it in a way that others might not approve. A perhaps more apropos analogy might be The Ten Commandments of Programming, which would be OK with most people, although the Torah of Programming, which employed Jewish stereotypes in its telling would be more problematic. And having typed that, this is where the potential issue with the article could lie: less in the title and more in the body and whether it employs stereotypes or culturally insensitive appropriations.
- foobarian 3y ago
  Throw in some references to the Islamic prophet and you'd be way in inappropriate territory then.
  - Pannoniae 3y ago
    Ten Akhams of Programming maybe?
  - gopher_space 3y ago
    Isn’t that basically the first edition of Wall’s “Programming Perl”?
  - bafe 3y ago
    Something like side effects being haram?
    - lioeters 3y ago
      Fundamentalist functional programmers..
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- mighmi 3y ago
  The 10 commandments used to be used a lot e.g. http://textfiles.com/100/tencoms.pro http://textfiles.com/100/tencoms.pro
forgotpwd16 3y ago
>Program like the cowboys of old west That's a very cool title for an article.
- l33t7332273 3y ago
  “Real gunslingers chase down rouge threads and kill them with their bare hands while the operating system and all its logs crumble around them.”
  - rvbissell 3y ago
    > rouge threads "The red threads are not the issue here, dude! ...Also, dude, that's not the preferred nomenclature. 'Native threads', please."
  - jacinda 3y ago
    The Night Watch: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf > Even as we speak, systems programmers are doing pointer arithmetic so that children and artists can pretend that their x86 chips do not expose an architecture designed by Sauron. > You might ask, “Why would someone write code in a grotesque language that exposes raw memory addresses? Why not use a modern language with garbage collection and functional programming and free massages after lunch?” Here’s the answer: Pointers are real. They’re what the hardware understands. Somebody has to deal with them. You can’t just place a LISP book on top of an x86 chip and hope that the hardware learns about lambda calculus by osmosis. Really, I recommend everything by James Mickens every chance I get: https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/wisdom-james-mickens https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/wisdom-james-mickens
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- HerculePoirot 3y ago
  "Cracking Code on the Frontier: Lessons from the Cowboys of the Old West" https://pastebin.com/DhdHsR3i https://pastebin.com/DhdHsR3i
furyofantares 3y ago
> "Program like the cowboys of old west" (I've no clue what that article will be about but) Probably about doing things without modern sensibilities of safety precautions, skipping normal testing procedures to fix an issue quickly, editing the live production server, stuff like that.
pgeorgi 3y ago
I guess a closer analogy would be an article about file systems called "The sermon of the mount", or something. "The ten commandments of ..." is a popular trope (https://medium.com/byte-sized-code/the-ten-commandments-of-programming-f4b7b0863f85 https://medium.com/byte-sized-code/the-ten-commandments-of-p..., https://itnext.io/the-10-commandments-to-survive-software-development-and-software-projects-28deb6b8fcb2 https://itnext.io/the-10-commandments-to-survive-software-de..., https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html, and so on and so on), too... Seems all harmless enough, but I suppose the risk is that when you use imagery of a different culture, you don't know what is held near and dear to people from within that culture, that you might twist out of context in a hurtful way.
zephyrfalcon 3y ago
I would like to read such an article...

cglong 3y ago

> if I were to write an article titled "Program like the cowboys of old west" (I've no clue what that article will be about but) It'd be about this! :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding

Jtsummers 3y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_coding And as an American, I would not be offended. Cowboy coders might be if the article is approaching it from the derogatory perspective.

dhosek 3y ago

The big difference is that Tao has religious overtones to it, while cowboys of the Old West, doesn’t. I think OP was more concerned about the fact that this is grabbing something out of another culture and potentially misusing it or using it in a way that others might not approve. A perhaps more apropos analogy might be The Ten Commandments of Programming, which would be OK with most people, although the Torah of Programming, which employed Jewish stereotypes in its telling would be more problematic. And having typed that, this is where the potential issue with the article could lie: less in the title and more in the body and whether it employs stereotypes or culturally insensitive appropriations.

foobarian 3y ago
Throw in some references to the Islamic prophet and you'd be way in inappropriate territory then.
- Pannoniae 3y ago
  Ten Akhams of Programming maybe?
- gopher_space 3y ago
  Isn’t that basically the first edition of Wall’s “Programming Perl”?
- bafe 3y ago
  Something like side effects being haram?
  - lioeters 3y ago
    Fundamentalist functional programmers..
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mighmi 3y ago
The 10 commandments used to be used a lot e.g. http://textfiles.com/100/tencoms.pro http://textfiles.com/100/tencoms.pro

forgotpwd16 3y ago

>Program like the cowboys of old west That's a very cool title for an article.

l33t7332273 3y ago
“Real gunslingers chase down rouge threads and kill them with their bare hands while the operating system and all its logs crumble around them.”
- rvbissell 3y ago
  > rouge threads "The red threads are not the issue here, dude! ...Also, dude, that's not the preferred nomenclature. 'Native threads', please."
- jacinda 3y ago
  The Night Watch: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf > Even as we speak, systems programmers are doing pointer arithmetic so that children and artists can pretend that their x86 chips do not expose an architecture designed by Sauron. > You might ask, “Why would someone write code in a grotesque language that exposes raw memory addresses? Why not use a modern language with garbage collection and functional programming and free massages after lunch?” Here’s the answer: Pointers are real. They’re what the hardware understands. Somebody has to deal with them. You can’t just place a LISP book on top of an x86 chip and hope that the hardware learns about lambda calculus by osmosis. Really, I recommend everything by James Mickens every chance I get: https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/wisdom-james-mickens https://mickens.seas.harvard.edu/wisdom-james-mickens
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HerculePoirot 3y ago
"Cracking Code on the Frontier: Lessons from the Cowboys of the Old West" https://pastebin.com/DhdHsR3i https://pastebin.com/DhdHsR3i

furyofantares 3y ago

> "Program like the cowboys of old west" (I've no clue what that article will be about but) Probably about doing things without modern sensibilities of safety precautions, skipping normal testing procedures to fix an issue quickly, editing the live production server, stuff like that.

pgeorgi 3y ago

I guess a closer analogy would be an article about file systems called "The sermon of the mount", or something. "The ten commandments of ..." is a popular trope (https://medium.com/byte-sized-code/the-ten-commandments-of-programming-f4b7b0863f85 https://medium.com/byte-sized-code/the-ten-commandments-of-p..., https://itnext.io/the-10-commandments-to-survive-software-development-and-software-projects-28deb6b8fcb2 https://itnext.io/the-10-commandments-to-survive-software-de..., https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html, and so on and so on), too... Seems all harmless enough, but I suppose the risk is that when you use imagery of a different culture, you don't know what is held near and dear to people from within that culture, that you might twist out of context in a hurtful way.

zephyrfalcon 3y ago

I would like to read such an article...