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Also this is just lol > The great entrepreneurs of our world are hardly motivated by money Yeah come on like Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Hoffman etc aren'

Also this is just lol > The great entrepreneurs of our world are hardly motivated by money Yeah come on like Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Hoffman etc aren't motivated by money lol. For a forum created by an accelerator, it is weirdly anti-success.

eertami 3y ago
Are these people entrepreneurs? What risks did they take. I wager almost none, they were fine whatever happened.
- somsak2 3y ago
  How would you define an entrepreneurs? I think risk-taking correlates with entrepreneurship, but I don't think I'd use it in a definition.
blantonl 3y ago
I think the issue is there's this undercurrent of self-promotion with these types of posts. Just like the people 20 years ago who would post their $20K adsense checks on their blog posts saying "you too can be successful like me (FLEX)"
- zpeti 3y ago
  Did you ever think these people want some feedback and admiration and recognition for what they’ve done? Being a solopreneur is really really lonely. And no one cares what you are doing. Posts like this are about getting recognition. Making $42k a month doesn’t actually get you any recognition by itself. Maybe buying champagne in a club from it does, but a lot of people don’t like that kind of attention. People on HN are just so resentful and want to see the bad in posts like this it’s really sad.
amelius 3y ago
> For a forum created by an accelerator, it is weirdly anti-success. It's not anti-success. HN applauds anyone making millions by doing real hard work that benefits everybody. What's frowned upon are these look-I-did-nothing-but-still-made-it-big stories.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  They made something people want, the motto of this forum's accelerator, but when it's not something you'd want, then it's not "real hard work," apparently.
- PUSH_AX 3y ago
  Ah ok, some success is ok, some is not.
  - amelius 3y ago
    Just like some statements are ok, some are not.
- imiric 3y ago
  > What's frowned upon are these look-I-did-nothing-but-still-made-it-big stories. Seven years of acquiring skills in different domains, and two years of applying those skills, learning more along the way, grinding, failing, trying again, and building several successful products people are willing to pay for is "doing nothing"? What a ridiculous take. People get rich nowadays by manipulating virtual numbers on screens, based on speculation and pure luck, which is much closer to "doing nothing", and we enthusiastically celebrate their success, yet someone uses their skills to build and sell products to people that enjoy using them, and we label them as lucky, lazy and show-offs. #smh
- slashdev 3y ago
  This is not one of those stories, yet that’s how some people here are reacting. This person did a lot of work, including drudge work like support, building a Twitter following, building a newsletter audience, etc.
williamtrask 3y ago
Fwiw I don’t think those are “the great entrepreneurs”. They’re rich and famous, yes, but “THE great entrepreneurs”?. I’d prefer Tesla, Jobs, and even JCR Licklider over them.
- dooraven 3y ago
  are you confusing inventors and entrepreneurs? Cause no way you'd consider Tesla a great entrepreneur, he died penniless and JCR Licklider same thing - great inventor and innovator yeah. Great Entrepreneur no. Of the 3 you listed only Jobs qualifies.
rpastuszak 3y ago
FWIW, none of those people are whom I’d consider great entrepreneurs.
- dooraven 3y ago
  please name some then
  - rpastuszak 3y ago
    Sure, my ex father in law: he built and ran a private theatre in the middle of the mountains at the Polish-German borders. We’re talking: a deep dark forest, small village, relatively impoverished area, shortly after the economic transformation post 1989. He built the place in the ruins of a falling apart 16th century barn, had to support his initial work with clown shows, manual labor, then scaled it to the point where the place was regularly frequented by world class jazz performers. He trained actors, provided work to people in the area. But he never scaled the business to the point where he’d have to compromise his work or relationships with people/fans. We all play the cards we’re given and he managed to do it so much better than the brain parasites we tend to worship here. Build a sustainable business that is a net positive contribution to the society, focus on value above growth, and stay true to your beliefs. Then keep it going for three decades. That’s entrepreneurship. Bear in mind that although he’s a writer/playwright, I’d say that 3/4 of his work was managing the business like any other, juggling marketing, sales, admin. (Apologies for any typos, writing this from my phone while in a rush) PS IIRC in its peak the little village had more theatres per capita than Broadway (3 theatres!)
    - dooraven 3y ago
      that's really cool, your definition of a great entrepreneur is a bit outside the common parlance but yeah I'd definitely agree that your father in law is a successful entrepreneur Sustainable profitable businesses that make a healthy profit and give back to their communities are the lifeblood of economies

eertami 3y ago

Are these people entrepreneurs? What risks did they take. I wager almost none, they were fine whatever happened.

somsak2 3y ago
How would you define an entrepreneurs? I think risk-taking correlates with entrepreneurship, but I don't think I'd use it in a definition.

blantonl 3y ago

I think the issue is there's this undercurrent of self-promotion with these types of posts. Just like the people 20 years ago who would post their $20K adsense checks on their blog posts saying "you too can be successful like me (FLEX)"

zpeti 3y ago
Did you ever think these people want some feedback and admiration and recognition for what they’ve done? Being a solopreneur is really really lonely. And no one cares what you are doing. Posts like this are about getting recognition. Making $42k a month doesn’t actually get you any recognition by itself. Maybe buying champagne in a club from it does, but a lot of people don’t like that kind of attention. People on HN are just so resentful and want to see the bad in posts like this it’s really sad.

amelius 3y ago

> For a forum created by an accelerator, it is weirdly anti-success. It's not anti-success. HN applauds anyone making millions by doing real hard work that benefits everybody. What's frowned upon are these look-I-did-nothing-but-still-made-it-big stories.

satvikpendem 3y ago
They made something people want, the motto of this forum's accelerator, but when it's not something you'd want, then it's not "real hard work," apparently.
PUSH_AX 3y ago
Ah ok, some success is ok, some is not.
- amelius 3y ago
  Just like some statements are ok, some are not.
imiric 3y ago
> What's frowned upon are these look-I-did-nothing-but-still-made-it-big stories. Seven years of acquiring skills in different domains, and two years of applying those skills, learning more along the way, grinding, failing, trying again, and building several successful products people are willing to pay for is "doing nothing"? What a ridiculous take. People get rich nowadays by manipulating virtual numbers on screens, based on speculation and pure luck, which is much closer to "doing nothing", and we enthusiastically celebrate their success, yet someone uses their skills to build and sell products to people that enjoy using them, and we label them as lucky, lazy and show-offs. #smh
slashdev 3y ago
This is not one of those stories, yet that’s how some people here are reacting. This person did a lot of work, including drudge work like support, building a Twitter following, building a newsletter audience, etc.

williamtrask 3y ago

Fwiw I don’t think those are “the great entrepreneurs”. They’re rich and famous, yes, but “THE great entrepreneurs”?. I’d prefer Tesla, Jobs, and even JCR Licklider over them.

dooraven 3y ago
are you confusing inventors and entrepreneurs? Cause no way you'd consider Tesla a great entrepreneur, he died penniless and JCR Licklider same thing - great inventor and innovator yeah. Great Entrepreneur no. Of the 3 you listed only Jobs qualifies.

rpastuszak 3y ago

FWIW, none of those people are whom I’d consider great entrepreneurs.

dooraven 3y ago
please name some then
- rpastuszak 3y ago
  Sure, my ex father in law: he built and ran a private theatre in the middle of the mountains at the Polish-German borders. We’re talking: a deep dark forest, small village, relatively impoverished area, shortly after the economic transformation post 1989. He built the place in the ruins of a falling apart 16th century barn, had to support his initial work with clown shows, manual labor, then scaled it to the point where the place was regularly frequented by world class jazz performers. He trained actors, provided work to people in the area. But he never scaled the business to the point where he’d have to compromise his work or relationships with people/fans. We all play the cards we’re given and he managed to do it so much better than the brain parasites we tend to worship here. Build a sustainable business that is a net positive contribution to the society, focus on value above growth, and stay true to your beliefs. Then keep it going for three decades. That’s entrepreneurship. Bear in mind that although he’s a writer/playwright, I’d say that 3/4 of his work was managing the business like any other, juggling marketing, sales, admin. (Apologies for any typos, writing this from my phone while in a rush) PS IIRC in its peak the little village had more theatres per capita than Broadway (3 theatres!)
  - dooraven 3y ago
    that's really cool, your definition of a great entrepreneur is a bit outside the common parlance but yeah I'd definitely agree that your father in law is a successful entrepreneur Sustainable profitable businesses that make a healthy profit and give back to their communities are the lifeblood of economies