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Software developer and aspiring 7th generation winemaker from Georgia (Republic of) here. We're proud of Georgia being one of the oldest wine producing regions

by otar 3y ago

Software developer and aspiring 7th generation winemaker from Georgia (Republic of) here. We're proud of Georgia being one of the oldest wine producing regions. In fact, it is called Cradle of Wine for a reason. Per Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine#History): > The earliest known traces of wine are from Georgia (c. 6000 BCE). Also, traditional Georgian winemaking is something worth exploring if you're a wine enthusiast: wine being made in the large clay pots (Qvevri) buried in the ground. Long maceration/skin-contact, 500+ endemic grape varieties, etc... P.S. Check out the website of my family's small winery: https://www.chekura.wine https://www.chekura.wine

seatac76 3y ago
How interesting. Would you happen to know any good labels and vintages that might be available for purchase in the US?
- mprime1 3y ago
  If you are in the SF Bay Area, Piala in Sebastopol and Healdsburg imports and sells Georgian wine. They may ship to you in other parts of the US too (but I would not recommend it — natural wine degrades quite fast when shipped with traditional couriers)
  - otar 3y ago
    > natural wine degrades quite fast when shipped with traditional couriers It's sporadic to achieve and maintain the needed natural sulfur level in the wine. In most cases, you must add some sulfur to maintain wine stability for shipment. Many natural wine brands refuse to use any SO2 at all. Imagine you're a small winery, poured your heart and did your best to make a great wine. Now it's time to ship overseas... by NOT adding any sulfur, you risk your product getting damaged. A small amount of sulfur is a small compromise you make to make your wine more stable and ready to be shipped overseas.
- otar 3y ago
  My general advice, not related only to Georgian wines, would be to seek small (boutique) producers in a mid-range ($15-30) category. I can name a few good brands available in the US: Orgo, Baia's Wine, Rosha Winery (one of my favourite red wines). Drop me an email (found in my profile), if my ex-importer/distributor still has some bottles remaining, I will try my best to send you some.
- tguvot 3y ago
  i bought from potomac wines some good georgian wines in the past. also total wine carries in it shops georgian wine
VK538FY 3y ago
Awesome that your family has resumed traditional methods with what I imagine to be traditional grape varieties. The subject fascinates me. On a similar note, there are a handful of wine producing countries whose products are very hard to find in the west. I suppose that they would be less special if one could buy them everywhere but still... lots to discover. Santé!
- otar 3y ago
  Thank you for your kind words! The problem with wine products being available on the US market is very complex. The main issue is US laws, taxes, and procedures. As a small producer, to make my wines available on the US market, I need to find a licensed alcohol importer (~35% added margin). Alcohol importer is eligible to only sell wines to the licensed alcohol distributors (another ~35% added margin). Alcohol distributors are qualified to only sell to licensed retailers (another ~35% added margin). Add production and transportation costs to the US, and the price gets very high. Even if the market can bear such high prices, the procedures are so complex and out of producers' control that it's very unattractive market. Add the complexity of state laws and taxes. Each state has different requirements. Several years ago, I imported a test batch of my wines to the US. Some bottles might still be available in the shops (3 shops in Delaware, Maryland, and New Jersey). Imagine you need an excellent importer/distributor willing to go the extra mile for your product. In that case, it takes a lot of work to find success. You may have a fascinating wine but may get stuck in these bureaucracies. I was thinking of going D2C via an online store. However, most of the states don't allow shipping out of state. Besides, you still have to go through all those procedures mentioned above. Hence, the US market is on hold for me right now.
  - VK538FY 3y ago
    I can't speak for the US since I don't live there although I admit it is a very big market... In wine producing countries in general, and the US is one, one will encounter a lot of 'non tariff barriers to trade' (i.e., administrative challenges) that make the import of foreign wines difficult. To be frank, and despite the expense that you correctly underline, I can only imagine doing so with the help of an enthusiastic importer. I know a retailer in Switzerland who would probably love to import Georgian wines (and many others, as long as they fit his taste) but the quantities would be so small to not even be worth your time. Anyway, I do hope to visit Georgia one day and your cave.
cpursley 3y ago
As somebody’s who traveled to Georgia, I can’t recommend visiting enough. Amazing food and wine, culture and sights.
- otar 3y ago
  Georgian food is a talk for another day. Separately :)
  - cpursley 3y ago
    It’s criminally good.
teruakohatu 3y ago
Your website says 'We expect our wines to be ready for bottling by the end of 2021'. How did they turn out?
- otar 3y ago
  It's a bit outdated website. Sorry for that :) The 2021 vintage was very good, but the recent ones are even better. Sadly, we only produce experimental wines (new varieties, blends, different techniques) right now. Last year, we made 12 various experiments. Out of them, we will blend some more, and we will receive 20+ different wines. My current goal is not to rush into the markets and start selling. I prefer to do experiments for several years, hear knowledgeable people's feedback, and then select the winners.
asdff 3y ago
Any ancient varietals still in cultivation?
- otar 3y ago
  Almost all of them. Only few varieties are hybrid or manually breeded. Out of those 500+ varieties, around 50 are in production. The rest are either very rare to find, are grown in a small quantities or are kept in the vine nurseries as a collection varieties. Saperavi (red) and Rkatsiteli (white) are amongst the most popular, though there are other ones that are really good: Mtsvane, Chinuri, Kisi, Tsitska, Aleksandrouli, Shavkapito and my personal favourite - Usakhelauri (once I opened a bottle at home and within a hour aromas were spread across the whole house like a premium fragrance).

by otar 3y ago

seatac76 3y ago

How interesting. Would you happen to know any good labels and vintages that might be available for purchase in the US?

mprime1 3y ago
If you are in the SF Bay Area, Piala in Sebastopol and Healdsburg imports and sells Georgian wine. They may ship to you in other parts of the US too (but I would not recommend it — natural wine degrades quite fast when shipped with traditional couriers)
- otar 3y ago
  > natural wine degrades quite fast when shipped with traditional couriers It's sporadic to achieve and maintain the needed natural sulfur level in the wine. In most cases, you must add some sulfur to maintain wine stability for shipment. Many natural wine brands refuse to use any SO2 at all. Imagine you're a small winery, poured your heart and did your best to make a great wine. Now it's time to ship overseas... by NOT adding any sulfur, you risk your product getting damaged. A small amount of sulfur is a small compromise you make to make your wine more stable and ready to be shipped overseas.
otar 3y ago
My general advice, not related only to Georgian wines, would be to seek small (boutique) producers in a mid-range ($15-30) category. I can name a few good brands available in the US: Orgo, Baia's Wine, Rosha Winery (one of my favourite red wines). Drop me an email (found in my profile), if my ex-importer/distributor still has some bottles remaining, I will try my best to send you some.
tguvot 3y ago
i bought from potomac wines some good georgian wines in the past. also total wine carries in it shops georgian wine

VK538FY 3y ago

Awesome that your family has resumed traditional methods with what I imagine to be traditional grape varieties. The subject fascinates me. On a similar note, there are a handful of wine producing countries whose products are very hard to find in the west. I suppose that they would be less special if one could buy them everywhere but still... lots to discover. Santé!

otar 3y ago
Thank you for your kind words! The problem with wine products being available on the US market is very complex. The main issue is US laws, taxes, and procedures. As a small producer, to make my wines available on the US market, I need to find a licensed alcohol importer (~35% added margin). Alcohol importer is eligible to only sell wines to the licensed alcohol distributors (another ~35% added margin). Alcohol distributors are qualified to only sell to licensed retailers (another ~35% added margin). Add production and transportation costs to the US, and the price gets very high. Even if the market can bear such high prices, the procedures are so complex and out of producers' control that it's very unattractive market. Add the complexity of state laws and taxes. Each state has different requirements. Several years ago, I imported a test batch of my wines to the US. Some bottles might still be available in the shops (3 shops in Delaware, Maryland, and New Jersey). Imagine you need an excellent importer/distributor willing to go the extra mile for your product. In that case, it takes a lot of work to find success. You may have a fascinating wine but may get stuck in these bureaucracies. I was thinking of going D2C via an online store. However, most of the states don't allow shipping out of state. Besides, you still have to go through all those procedures mentioned above. Hence, the US market is on hold for me right now.
- VK538FY 3y ago
  I can't speak for the US since I don't live there although I admit it is a very big market... In wine producing countries in general, and the US is one, one will encounter a lot of 'non tariff barriers to trade' (i.e., administrative challenges) that make the import of foreign wines difficult. To be frank, and despite the expense that you correctly underline, I can only imagine doing so with the help of an enthusiastic importer. I know a retailer in Switzerland who would probably love to import Georgian wines (and many others, as long as they fit his taste) but the quantities would be so small to not even be worth your time. Anyway, I do hope to visit Georgia one day and your cave.

cpursley 3y ago

As somebody’s who traveled to Georgia, I can’t recommend visiting enough. Amazing food and wine, culture and sights.

otar 3y ago
Georgian food is a talk for another day. Separately :)
- cpursley 3y ago
  It’s criminally good.

teruakohatu 3y ago

Your website says 'We expect our wines to be ready for bottling by the end of 2021'. How did they turn out?

otar 3y ago
It's a bit outdated website. Sorry for that :) The 2021 vintage was very good, but the recent ones are even better. Sadly, we only produce experimental wines (new varieties, blends, different techniques) right now. Last year, we made 12 various experiments. Out of them, we will blend some more, and we will receive 20+ different wines. My current goal is not to rush into the markets and start selling. I prefer to do experiments for several years, hear knowledgeable people's feedback, and then select the winners.

asdff 3y ago

Any ancient varietals still in cultivation?

otar 3y ago
Almost all of them. Only few varieties are hybrid or manually breeded. Out of those 500+ varieties, around 50 are in production. The rest are either very rare to find, are grown in a small quantities or are kept in the vine nurseries as a collection varieties. Saperavi (red) and Rkatsiteli (white) are amongst the most popular, though there are other ones that are really good: Mtsvane, Chinuri, Kisi, Tsitska, Aleksandrouli, Shavkapito and my personal favourite - Usakhelauri (once I opened a bottle at home and within a hour aromas were spread across the whole house like a premium fragrance).