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> I don't even want to install Arch the Arch way. Then don't. You're simply not part of the target audience.

smabie 3y ago
I don't wanna install Arch the Arch way either, and I've been running Arch for over 10yrs The Installation just sucks for no purpose. Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it
- rcxdude 3y ago
  The installation is minimal because arch is a minimal developer effort distro. Think of arch as a bunch of devs making a distribution for themselves and if anyone else happens to use it, that's fine. It makes a lot of their decisions make a lot more sense.
- gameoverhumans 3y ago
  > Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it Not sure what you're referring to here. Archinstall [1] is relatively recent [2]. I used it a few weeks ago to quickly yeet a machine into Arch for some testing. Worked flawlessly and had the machine from live boot -> Arch install on root media in under 5 minutes. [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall [2]: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arch-Linux-Does-Archinstall https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arch-Linux-Does-Archinstall
  - SSLy 3y ago
    Arch had some CLI installer ~10 years ago.
  - Jnr 3y ago
    I remember using TUI for Arch installation 10+ years ago. I think it also was named archinstall iso back then. But it had some limitations. I do prefer the way it is right now though, it seems rather simple.
- cdogl 3y ago
  It’s stable and simple. I can run through it in 20 minutes including disk encryption and X.
- worble 3y ago
  They have a command line installer, just type archinstall and it will ask a few questions then do the rest for you.
  - astrod 3y ago
    This. I have used the script and it pretty much lines up with the 'arch' way and I believe it is still a good introduction to linux.
- qalmakka 3y ago
  They had a TUI installer which was just a rebranded `bsdinstall` from FreeBSD. They got rid of it around ~2009 IIRC because it was objectively bad and they moved away from doing releases. Nowadays they've added a new installer, and as far as people told me it's way better. I still install Arch the Arch way, of course, or rather, I haven't installed Arch since 2014, I've been `rsync`-ing stuff around for a while until 2017, and then `zfs send`-ing the same install over from one computer to another. It's faster and less annoying than setting everything up from scratch IMHO.
- malermeister 3y ago
  Just use endeavourOS, it's basically arch with a nice installer and sane defaults.
- alexvitkov 3y ago
  The Arch install is literally 1. partition your system 2. mount / 3. run 1 command to actually install the system 4. install grub Sure, it's a bit gatekeepy if you haven't done it before, but it teaches you a lot of useful things about how a Linux system works, that you'll undoubtedly need if you plan to use Arch.
  - nsonha 3y ago
    Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do. Also am I dumb? Why do I need to be taught these things again and again every damn installation?
    - FireInsight 3y ago
      That's because Arch is not a consumer product. It is an enthusiast Linux project, perhaps a bit too hyped up, that is usually manually installed because that's the way it is.
      - orangepurple 3y ago
        It's manually installed because you build it up to be exactly what you want. If you don't know what you want - use Ubuntu.
    - capableweb 3y ago
      > Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do. Plenty of consumer products does just this? Raspberry PI basically spawned an entire industry around this very idea. Bunch of analog musical instruments does the same, some even come with signal graphs and such to teach you the insides of the instrument.
    - alexvitkov 3y ago
      You don't need to be taught again and again, you should just know it. I haven't had to install it in years but I bet I can get an usable system in 10 minutes. I wouldn't mind a graphical installer but my point is that the install process reflects the experience of actually using it - it's a tinkerer's system, and from time to time you'll need to spend an hour reading the Wiki. If you're not willing to do it for the install, you'd probably also be miserable using the damn thing - the system is honest with what it is from the get go, and I don't think that's a bad thing.

I don't wanna install Arch the Arch way either, and I've been running Arch for over 10yrs The Installation just sucks for no purpose. Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it

rcxdude 3y ago
The installation is minimal because arch is a minimal developer effort distro. Think of arch as a bunch of devs making a distribution for themselves and if anyone else happens to use it, that's fine. It makes a lot of their decisions make a lot more sense.
gameoverhumans 3y ago
> Actually it's worse than that they used to have a TUI installer but then removed it Not sure what you're referring to here. Archinstall [1] is relatively recent [2]. I used it a few weeks ago to quickly yeet a machine into Arch for some testing. Worked flawlessly and had the machine from live boot -> Arch install on root media in under 5 minutes. [1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall [2]: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arch-Linux-Does-Archinstall https://www.phoronix.com/news/Arch-Linux-Does-Archinstall
- SSLy 3y ago
  Arch had some CLI installer ~10 years ago.
- Jnr 3y ago
  I remember using TUI for Arch installation 10+ years ago. I think it also was named archinstall iso back then. But it had some limitations. I do prefer the way it is right now though, it seems rather simple.
cdogl 3y ago
It’s stable and simple. I can run through it in 20 minutes including disk encryption and X.
worble 3y ago
They have a command line installer, just type archinstall and it will ask a few questions then do the rest for you.
- astrod 3y ago
  This. I have used the script and it pretty much lines up with the 'arch' way and I believe it is still a good introduction to linux.
qalmakka 3y ago
They had a TUI installer which was just a rebranded `bsdinstall` from FreeBSD. They got rid of it around ~2009 IIRC because it was objectively bad and they moved away from doing releases. Nowadays they've added a new installer, and as far as people told me it's way better. I still install Arch the Arch way, of course, or rather, I haven't installed Arch since 2014, I've been `rsync`-ing stuff around for a while until 2017, and then `zfs send`-ing the same install over from one computer to another. It's faster and less annoying than setting everything up from scratch IMHO.
malermeister 3y ago
Just use endeavourOS, it's basically arch with a nice installer and sane defaults.
alexvitkov 3y ago
The Arch install is literally 1. partition your system 2. mount / 3. run 1 command to actually install the system 4. install grub Sure, it's a bit gatekeepy if you haven't done it before, but it teaches you a lot of useful things about how a Linux system works, that you'll undoubtedly need if you plan to use Arch.
- nsonha 3y ago
  Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do. Also am I dumb? Why do I need to be taught these things again and again every damn installation?
  - FireInsight 3y ago
    That's because Arch is not a consumer product. It is an enthusiast Linux project, perhaps a bit too hyped up, that is usually manually installed because that's the way it is.
    - orangepurple 3y ago
      It's manually installed because you build it up to be exactly what you want. If you don't know what you want - use Ubuntu.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    > Imagine any other consumer product boasting about teaching you things, instead of just do what it means to do. Plenty of consumer products does just this? Raspberry PI basically spawned an entire industry around this very idea. Bunch of analog musical instruments does the same, some even come with signal graphs and such to teach you the insides of the instrument.
  - alexvitkov 3y ago
    You don't need to be taught again and again, you should just know it. I haven't had to install it in years but I bet I can get an usable system in 10 minutes. I wouldn't mind a graphical installer but my point is that the install process reflects the experience of actually using it - it's a tinkerer's system, and from time to time you'll need to spend an hour reading the Wiki. If you're not willing to do it for the install, you'd probably also be miserable using the damn thing - the system is honest with what it is from the get go, and I don't think that's a bad thing.