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20 years of being inferior to gnutella in every way imaginable.

by resuresu 3y ago

wslh 3y ago
Could you give metrics and features?
- LeoNatan25 3y ago
  The “gnu” in the name is likely all they care about.
  - flangola7 3y ago
    What features do they each offer?
    - LeoNatan25 3y ago
      BitTorrent is a protocol that has taken over pirated content distribution (in the context of ThePirateBay). “gnutella” is something most people have not even heard of. I’d say that’s feature enough.
      - flangola7 3y ago
        That really doesn't answer my question
dale_glass 3y ago
Does Gnutella still exist? I don't think I've heard that name in a very long time.
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  Justin Frankel's projects never die.
gandalfgreybeer 3y ago
I have torrented but am not very familiar in this field, but I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard of gnutella. Less technical people I know have heard or used TPB and are likely never to have heard of this as well. I am curious (although I'll be googling as well) on what makes it better. As a personal preference though, if given the option, I would rather make a project that used by many reliably than to have one that is really really fine tuned but not used at all. However, if I do see that gnutella is better for my purposes, then I will gladly make the switch and will say thanks in advance.
- toby- 3y ago
  They may not have heard of Gnutella, the network, but they may be familiar with some of the software that supports it: LimeWire, Shareaza, BearShare, WireShare, FrostWire, iMesh, and probably others I'm forgetting.
  - gandalfgreybeer 3y ago
    LimeWire I’m familiar with and one they’ve definitely used but that seems like a thing from 20 years ago. And by the 2010s I don’t know if anyone still used it. Given that, now I’m curious on why it was mentioned to be better than TBP which survived while Limewire (not sure about the others but have never heard of them) didn’t.
rgrmrts 3y ago
Our school had a gnutella network on the campus network. It was incredibly fast, and some people were fairly prolific with their content upload reputations. E.g. I remember the highest quality Game of Thrones episodes being uploaded within minutes of them airing. Though my understanding was that Gnutella worked better than torrents because it was an incredible fast local network, i.e. our campus was connected with the fastest network I’ve ever experienced personally. I don’t think Gnutella works as well over the public internet.
- heymijo 3y ago
  DC++ was what we used across our school LAN back in the day.
  - nicolas_t 3y ago
    Same here. The server lived in our student library, there were also some very creative parody video of our university president and of various teachers that I unfortunately didn't keep.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    In Romania in the early millennium, my local ISP offered a DC++ server so that people in my city could share music and films with one another at lightning speed. (Besides the fact that piracy was simply part of Eastern European mass culture, it probably helped reduce their bandwidth costs to and from the wider world.). Alas, this ultimately disappeared due to ISP mergers and stricter enforcement.
  - nortonham 3y ago
    hey us too! It was incredibly fast since we were on the uni's internet, and sharing with people all on the same campus. Was getting latest eps of TV shows and a huge variety of music faster than bitorrent was capable of
ravenstine 3y ago
Yeah, downloading a 700MB movie only to discover that it's actually scat pr0n was way better than BitTorrent. /s Also, Gnutella having search built in to it was a huge mistake. BitTorrent was a success because it allowed anyone to host their own distinct index of torrents. I'm sure that something similar could have been done with Gnutella, but its search was compromised so badly even in its heyday. It was pretty obvious that there were bad nodes that would take your search terms and dynamically return listings of fake files named after what you typed in.
mavhc 3y ago
AIUI gnutella is only the search feature, the actual download doesn't use the network. So you're only downloading from one person, not distributing your download in pieces from many people

20 years of being inferior to gnutella in every way imaginable.

wslh 3y ago

Could you give metrics and features?

LeoNatan25 3y ago
The “gnu” in the name is likely all they care about.
- flangola7 3y ago
  What features do they each offer?
  - LeoNatan25 3y ago
    BitTorrent is a protocol that has taken over pirated content distribution (in the context of ThePirateBay). “gnutella” is something most people have not even heard of. I’d say that’s feature enough.
    - flangola7 3y ago
      That really doesn't answer my question

dale_glass 3y ago

Does Gnutella still exist? I don't think I've heard that name in a very long time.

BLKNSLVR 3y ago
Justin Frankel's projects never die.

gandalfgreybeer 3y ago

I have torrented but am not very familiar in this field, but I have to say, this is the first time I've ever heard of gnutella. Less technical people I know have heard or used TPB and are likely never to have heard of this as well. I am curious (although I'll be googling as well) on what makes it better. As a personal preference though, if given the option, I would rather make a project that used by many reliably than to have one that is really really fine tuned but not used at all. However, if I do see that gnutella is better for my purposes, then I will gladly make the switch and will say thanks in advance.

toby- 3y ago
They may not have heard of Gnutella, the network, but they may be familiar with some of the software that supports it: LimeWire, Shareaza, BearShare, WireShare, FrostWire, iMesh, and probably others I'm forgetting.
- gandalfgreybeer 3y ago
  LimeWire I’m familiar with and one they’ve definitely used but that seems like a thing from 20 years ago. And by the 2010s I don’t know if anyone still used it. Given that, now I’m curious on why it was mentioned to be better than TBP which survived while Limewire (not sure about the others but have never heard of them) didn’t.

rgrmrts 3y ago

Our school had a gnutella network on the campus network. It was incredibly fast, and some people were fairly prolific with their content upload reputations. E.g. I remember the highest quality Game of Thrones episodes being uploaded within minutes of them airing. Though my understanding was that Gnutella worked better than torrents because it was an incredible fast local network, i.e. our campus was connected with the fastest network I’ve ever experienced personally. I don’t think Gnutella works as well over the public internet.

heymijo 3y ago
DC++ was what we used across our school LAN back in the day.
- nicolas_t 3y ago
  Same here. The server lived in our student library, there were also some very creative parody video of our university president and of various teachers that I unfortunately didn't keep.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  In Romania in the early millennium, my local ISP offered a DC++ server so that people in my city could share music and films with one another at lightning speed. (Besides the fact that piracy was simply part of Eastern European mass culture, it probably helped reduce their bandwidth costs to and from the wider world.). Alas, this ultimately disappeared due to ISP mergers and stricter enforcement.
- nortonham 3y ago
  hey us too! It was incredibly fast since we were on the uni's internet, and sharing with people all on the same campus. Was getting latest eps of TV shows and a huge variety of music faster than bitorrent was capable of

ravenstine 3y ago

Yeah, downloading a 700MB movie only to discover that it's actually scat pr0n was way better than BitTorrent. /s Also, Gnutella having search built in to it was a huge mistake. BitTorrent was a success because it allowed anyone to host their own distinct index of torrents. I'm sure that something similar could have been done with Gnutella, but its search was compromised so badly even in its heyday. It was pretty obvious that there were bad nodes that would take your search terms and dynamically return listings of fake files named after what you typed in.

mavhc 3y ago

AIUI gnutella is only the search feature, the actual download doesn't use the network. So you're only downloading from one person, not distributing your download in pieces from many people