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Paint's journey has been so weird. It was going to be replaced by Paint 3D, made an optional component, and now it's getting updates I would have killed to have
by hackermatic 3y ago
Paint's journey has been so weird. It was going to be replaced by Paint 3D, made an optional component, and now it's getting updates I would have killed to have 20 years ago. But it's been such a useful and enduring tool because of both its ubiquity and its simplicity, so I hope the upcoming changes will be as minimalist as those of the past.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoConsidering how slow the new calculator app is, I am terrified of Microsoft updating the classics. These things used to open instantly and provide value. Now it is a visible pause and gigantic white space heavy interfaces.
- naikrovek 3y agothe new calculator app is open source, you can see what's making it so slow if you want, and contribute fixes if you have the skills to do the fixing. MIT license. https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/ https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/
- codetrotter 3y agoWhy would anyone want to do free work for Microsoft?
- dagaci 3y agoBecause it makes the things they use better mostly, they are => https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/graphs/contributors https://github.com/microsoft/calculator/graphs/contributors
- dingnuts 3y agoThis is the correct response. Telling community members that they can fix bugs in libre, community-supported software is one thing. Telling /users/ who are NOT community members to make changes to some corporation's application that happens to have source available, in their free time, and then donate that labor to some billion dollar corporation? fuck THAT. Fix it your own damn self, Microsoft. I have better shit to do.
- pjmlp 3y agoThey shouldn't, other than provides a good entry on the CV, that is all.
- rappatic 3y agoThis isn't justification for an app being bad. A company shouldn't release a broken and slow app on an OS I pay for and you can't make it seem like that's okay simply because Microsoft took ten minutes to put the code on Github. At that rate, why put effort into improving apps at all if users will do free work for you?
- naikrovek 3y agoso make it less bad, or stop complaining. if you're complaining without a plan of action to address the complaint, you are speaking for attention alone. fork it and fix it, then use that version. open your fork so you can help others. you other commenters can continue to complain and whine endlessly or you can put your money where your mouth is and actually do something. what's it gonna be?
- iggldiggl 3y agoUnfortunately some issues have been declared as "by design". E.g. due to a rigid interpretation of some accessibility guideline, the fact that clicking on the history or trigonometry menus moves the input focus there, so Numpad Enter suddenly starts re-opening that menu instead of pressing '=' is apparently perfectly intended and definitively not a bug.
- naikrovek 3y agothen work on a copy. it's MIT-licensed so you don't have to give your work to Microsoft.
- tpush 3y agoMicrosoft requires contributors to sign a CLA giving Microsoft effective ownership over your contributions. You should never be working for a for-profit organization without compensation.
- eddythompson80 3y agoNot arguing for contributing to Microsoft’s repos, but most open source projects under most well respected foundations do the same. There is a big argument for or against CLAs but it’s not like it’s just them.
- tpush 3y agoYes, lots of organizations want free labor. That has no bearing on whether its ethical. There's a somewhat decent argument to be made for non-profit organizations, but there's none for for-profit orgs like Microsoft.
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- naikrovek 3y agosuccessfully reach out to all contributors to the Linux kernel and then tell me CLAs are bad for a corporation. you open source people, man. you give all developers a horrible reputation. put up or shut up, lol
- tpush 3y agoThat copyright of the Linux kernel is being shared by all is contributors is essential in making it an actual public good. I have no idea what you want to express with your second paragraph, though.
- eddythompson80 3y agoThere is a Linux BDFL that everyone refers to for any disputes. He can't be there forever unfortunately. Who knows how Linux will be 10 or 20 years without him.
- MenhirMike 3y agoThe fact that the calculator has a $#!"@ hamburger menu to switch between Programmer and "can do floating point numbers" mode is one of those asinine UX decisions that makes me fear any app update - "Oh hey, they're adding a neat feature, let's see how they mess up UX on it" is my default reaction nowadays. And yes, Notepad and Calculator take much longer to start now than they ever did - not sure if it's SmartScreen, a Store Update check, or if SEND_DIAGNOSTICS is enabled on production builds, but I bet it's some Program Manager making some idiotic decision because some useless KPI requires it.
- bluSCALE4 3y agoAfter I found out that in GTA5, bad code loading a large JSON file made boot time jump from 2m to 6m, up to 15m. The JSON file was for in-game purchases, aka useless.
- zerocrates 3y agoThough I believe that was a delay specifically for GTA Online only, and those purchases are absolutely the key and only point of the online mode for Rockstar. Of course that doesn't mean it should have been loading so inefficiently regardless.
- frenchy 3y agoThe next verison of GTA should be a game where you get a gig with a corporation called Rockstar, and all your jobs are focused around making them money.
- rvba 3y agoMost companies not even bother to make their software usable what is baffling. Am I supposed to play a multiplayer game when it takes 10 minutes to open and another 5 in queue and then few before it starts? Blizzard launcher downloads 137 MB to launch some games EVERY time. In fact some game did not even start, probably due to mismatch of version on the patch server and game server. Nobody in Blizzard seems to notice nor care at all. The whole management board should be fired. I remember paying 10 dollars for starcraft remastered and it plain didnt work, because blizzard doesnt bother to fix their battle.net app (all they did was try to rename it to blizzard app). Now statcraft bw works, but it didnt for few weeks. You finish your work, want to start the game and it cant even start fast.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>Considering how slow the new calculator app is What's bad about it? For me it always does the job whenever I fire it up. Looks sleek, clean, scales nicely to whatever size you make it, and isn't distracting.
- gibolt 3y agoHow many adults are being distracted by the Windows calculator app?
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoThat's asking the right questions.
- godd2 3y ago> scales nicely to whatever size you make it In Programmer mode if you type in a number larger than 32 bits and the window is scaled to its smallest size, the lower row of binary is cut off a little bit.
- FirmwareBurner 3y agoHorrible. Unusable.
- sccxy 3y agoI also like new calculator app in windows. TBH date calculator is my most used feature there. But calculator app in macOS... Real horror. Try to open units converter from top app menus.
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- hulitu 3y agoYou worked all life as a cashier with a hand calculator 15 x 15 cm ( 5 x 5 in). One day your boss comes: your calculator is obsolete, you need to use the one on the wall with every number being 25 x 25 cm (10 x 10 in). Good luck
- RajT88 3y agoWindows 11 snipping tool is unnecessarily clunky and garbage as well. What I do on any Win11 machine is keep an archived copy of Windows 10's System32 folder, and pin the old copies of apps to my start menu. ...From my cold dead hands!
- gibolt 3y agoYeah, Mac solved this so elegantly. Windows really needs a simple default hotkey to do a partial screen capture quickly, and save it to a reasonable directory.
- adrenvi 3y agoWin + Shift + S allows you to select a rectangular region and copy the image data to clipboard.
- secondcoming 3y agoYes. This changed my life. I use it every day.
- zadjii 3y agoI mean, win+shift+s (the default snipping tool hotkey) to grab a snip is pretty elegant IMO. Copies it straight to the clipboard, or lets you save (& edit) it from the notification. Probably one of my most used shortcuts.
- Macha 3y agoIndeed, on Mac I normally end up swapping the cmd-shift-4 (screenshots to file, can open in preview instead) with cmd-shift-option-4 (screenshots to clipboard) as the latter is basically what I always want.
- koolant 3y agoWin + Shift + S has been there for ages now.
- gspencley 3y agoBut how are you supposed to sync your calculations to One Drive and Teams if it's just a simple, non-network-enabled calculator program?
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoI am now incapable of identifying satire.
- k12sosse 3y agoUse PowerShell in Azure as your calculator - duh! ;-) shell.azure.com
- MikusR 3y agoWindows calculator doesn't do that.
- pjmlp 3y agoA side effect from app sandboxing, and modern Windows API being all COM based.
- blibble 3y agothey'll probably add ads and a subscription like solitaire
- Tempest1981 3y agoPay for extended precision, or an LCD font
- tored 3y agoAnd achievements.
- IYasha 3y agomicro-payments for fancy skins )
- Piisamirotta 3y agoAh. I really hate Windows calculator nowadays. When looking for alternatives I found SpeedCrunch (https://heldercorreia.bitbucket.io/speedcrunch/ https://heldercorreia.bitbucket.io/speedcrunch/). So far I have loved it, even did some regedit to open it from keyboard's calculator button.
- yndoendo 3y agoQalculate is my go-to for cross platform calculator that is useful and is not limited to the most basic +-*/ operations. https://qalculate.github.io/ https://qalculate.github.io/
- rkagerer 3y agoWhen I installed Windows 7, I copied the old mspaint executable over and kept using it, as I hate the stupid Office-style ribbon they implemented in the new one (excessive waste of screen real estate, takes more clicks, and the items collapse to uselessness when the window gets too small).
- IYasha 3y agoyeah, the tool selection (and options) is just terrible! UI logic is very weird.
- stainablesteel 3y agomy perspective: i left windows years ago and i never laugh at any comedian as much as i laugh at people in windows update threads
- benbristow 3y agoIs it? Just opened it on Windows 10 and it opens instantly and uses 23MB of RAM which is rather low for a modern application. Calculator is also fully open source now. https://github.com/microsoft/calculator https://github.com/microsoft/calculator
- rvba 3y agoCompare it to utorrent that does so much more and is probably around 5mb of RAM. Seriously, is your post satire or you think 23 mb for a calculator app is good? Whole windows 95 (including a calculator app) fit in 16MB of RAM. In fact even less, since you could run few programs on top of it too. Connect to internet even..
- benbristow 3y agoI use Teams on a daily basis. End up closing it to save some RAM as it's eating up around 800MB of RAM for a chat app. 23MB for a modern calculator in this day & age when many apps are written in Electron/EdgeHTML/web technologies is pretty good Do people even use uTorrent anymore after the advertisements were brought in? I use qBittorrent when I need some Linux ISOs and in an idle state it's using 20MB which isn't bad either.
- rvba 3y ago"Flu is not bad when we compare it to ebola" - is like choosing the lesser evil, bit still an evil. The ancient version of utorrent (before ads) works fine.
- benbristow 3y agoUsing an almost 12 year old piece of networking software doesn't seem very secure to me.
- rvba 3y agoThat's not even the point of the discussion. If the old version of utorrent was changed to fix something (no new functionalities), it would still have a low memory footprint.
- dmitrygr 3y ago> Considering how slow the new calculator app is Am I really the only person who has a copy of "calc.exe" from win 2000 that replaces c:\windows\calc.exe immediately after any windows [re]install?
- ToDougie 3y agoI'm blown away at how slow the calculator is. Used to be that every time I went to open the calculator app from Run, it would freeze my whole system. I have 64G of RAM and a $500 (at the time) Ryzen chip. I had to perform some arcane troubleshooting steps to fix it.
- benbristow 3y agoFor as basic a program it is, it's rather useful. My work only currently only give machines with 16GB RAM which gets eaten up by Edge/Teams/Outlook, security applications incl. Defender and then any dev tools on top of that. Trying to campaign for 32GB machines but bureaucracy takes its time in the public sector. The IT team have also just removed Paint 3D for some reason via InTune. Just opened Paint right now on my Windows 10 desktop and it's using 13MB of RAM for a blank canvas. For pasting a screenshot and putting some rectangles/arrows on it, it works a charm. Something to be said about Paint!
- vel0city 3y agoWhy do you even bother pasting screenshots? Snipping tool can save it without even needing to paste it anywhere. Win+Shift+s
- fyloraspit 3y agoSometimes you want mouse or dynamic menu in frame for highlighting. Most likely reason for print screen + paint IMO.
- benbristow 3y agoUsually to save them somewhere for later (in memory)
- IYasha 3y agoI had mspaint on Ctrl+Alt+P since Windows 95 for that reason :)
- grishka 3y agoIf you want the old simple Paint, you could just copy mspaint.exe from an older version of Windows. Same for things like calculator and notepad and games.