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The problem is sitting in everyone's driveway, where everyone is gonna tell you it's gonna stay and they ain't going back to taking the friggin bus. Not superio

by jtode 3y ago

The problem is sitting in everyone's driveway, where everyone is gonna tell you it's gonna stay and they ain't going back to taking the friggin bus. Not superior, I live in the country, even more locked into it. But the day is coming that we can't afford the gas for em, one by one it'll become too expensive, and with each day worth less and less, until one day you'll have to pay someone with a horse and cart to pull your pile of useless toxic steel and fibreglass away, and she'll judge the hell out of you as she takes your money.

mjamesaustin 3y ago
The auto industry is undergoing an electrification process that is now rapidly accelerating. Within the next couple decades, oil and gas won't be needed as fuel except for air and maybe sea travel.
- oaththrowaway 3y ago
  California's grid can't support more electric cars
  - williamtrask 3y ago
    Then they should upgrade their grid? What’s your point?
    - black6 3y ago
      Carts before horses and such.
  - viraptor 3y ago
    That's ok, the car production capacity is limited too. The grid and charging capacity will improve as more demand appears. In the past the oil supply couldn't support our current number of cars either. Turns out, when there's demand, we're pretty good at expansion infrastructure. In an emergency it could be a great project for the market too, like the highway expansion.
    - decremental 3y ago
      [dead]
  - Gibbon1 3y ago
    From CAISO Current capacity 43,777 MW Current demand 29,361 MW Difference 14,315 MW That enough to charge 2.8 million cars at 5kw.
    - throwaway5959 3y ago
      And EV drivers know you spend almost none of your car's time charging. We maybe charge once a week, almost always at work.
      - nielsbot 3y ago
        Do you have any stats on that? It's certainly not true for me. I commute an hour to work each way.
        throwaway5959 3y ago
        It’s not time but distance that matters with EVs. If you’re in a parking lot for half an hour and you go three miles, your car will basically only go down three miles of range (electronics and climate take very little power and you’ll get some regen). If you’re going sixty miles each way, no matter how you commute (aside from maybe a bus), it’s going to be a disaster from a fuel and environment perspective regardless of drivetrain.
        Gibbon1 3y ago
        If one were willing to run some numbers. Californians drive 340 billion miles a year. If that were all EV's then they would consume 85 billion kwh/year. Solar insolation is about 2000 hours a year. So you would need 42.5 GW of solar. With say 30 million cars that would be 1500W per car. Check, average car drives 35 miles a day. So needs 8.75 kwh. 6 hours of sunlight so you'd need 1460 watts or solar. That's $1500 worth of solar per car. Set and match. Totally totally doable.
  - whyenot 3y ago
    I’m not so sure about that. Do you have a source? In any case, the grid can improve in capacity as more electric cars are sold in the state.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I think the electrification thing is completely awesome but I think individual car ownership will and should end. I believe car companies are similar to fossil fuels in this way, they marketed the importance of a bad idea to the masses. They made cars sexy and oversold their utility as a way of improving life and maybe they do improve life, but it comes at an environmentally degrading cost. Noise pollution alone is bad enough… Personally I think the tyre dust thing will be another global ecological crisis. I am not saying the tyre dust issue “is” caused by electrics, it’s not, but tyre dust is a huge and hard to solve problem and tyres are toxic things. Plastics just fall off cars too, roads themselves are ecologically bad. If you ride along the side of a highway on a bike you will see amazing amount of plastic rubbish. Even the highways are lined with plastic materials and object that disintegrate. Fencing, astroturf etc All of which ends up disintegrating and everywhere. Each day that passes I’m happier I’ve always been and always will be an avid walker and cyclist. Yes I own a car but I use it very sparingly and thoughtfully.
- jtode 3y ago
  Let's see how that works out for the idea that we can handle what's coming without massive changes to our lifestyles.
colechristensen 3y ago
Don’t be hyperbolic. Cars aren’t the major cause, are being replaced by electrics anyway, and will always be around. Gas prices and regulations will make fossil fuel cars too expensive and undesirable for all but a few enthusiasts who will have a negligible overall carbon footprint.
- anonporridge 3y ago
  Context. Passenger road transport accounts for 11% of all global emissions. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

by jtode 3y ago

mjamesaustin 3y ago

The auto industry is undergoing an electrification process that is now rapidly accelerating. Within the next couple decades, oil and gas won't be needed as fuel except for air and maybe sea travel.

oaththrowaway 3y ago
California's grid can't support more electric cars
- williamtrask 3y ago
  Then they should upgrade their grid? What’s your point?
  - black6 3y ago
    Carts before horses and such.
- viraptor 3y ago
  That's ok, the car production capacity is limited too. The grid and charging capacity will improve as more demand appears. In the past the oil supply couldn't support our current number of cars either. Turns out, when there's demand, we're pretty good at expansion infrastructure. In an emergency it could be a great project for the market too, like the highway expansion.
  - decremental 3y ago
    [dead]
- Gibbon1 3y ago
  From CAISO Current capacity 43,777 MW Current demand 29,361 MW Difference 14,315 MW That enough to charge 2.8 million cars at 5kw.
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    And EV drivers know you spend almost none of your car's time charging. We maybe charge once a week, almost always at work.
    - nielsbot 3y ago
      Do you have any stats on that? It's certainly not true for me. I commute an hour to work each way.
      - throwaway5959 3y ago
        It’s not time but distance that matters with EVs. If you’re in a parking lot for half an hour and you go three miles, your car will basically only go down three miles of range (electronics and climate take very little power and you’ll get some regen). If you’re going sixty miles each way, no matter how you commute (aside from maybe a bus), it’s going to be a disaster from a fuel and environment perspective regardless of drivetrain.
        Gibbon1 3y ago
        If one were willing to run some numbers. Californians drive 340 billion miles a year. If that were all EV's then they would consume 85 billion kwh/year. Solar insolation is about 2000 hours a year. So you would need 42.5 GW of solar. With say 30 million cars that would be 1500W per car. Check, average car drives 35 miles a day. So needs 8.75 kwh. 6 hours of sunlight so you'd need 1460 watts or solar. That's $1500 worth of solar per car. Set and match. Totally totally doable.
- whyenot 3y ago
  I’m not so sure about that. Do you have a source? In any case, the grid can improve in capacity as more electric cars are sold in the state.
ChatGTP 3y ago
I think the electrification thing is completely awesome but I think individual car ownership will and should end. I believe car companies are similar to fossil fuels in this way, they marketed the importance of a bad idea to the masses. They made cars sexy and oversold their utility as a way of improving life and maybe they do improve life, but it comes at an environmentally degrading cost. Noise pollution alone is bad enough… Personally I think the tyre dust thing will be another global ecological crisis. I am not saying the tyre dust issue “is” caused by electrics, it’s not, but tyre dust is a huge and hard to solve problem and tyres are toxic things. Plastics just fall off cars too, roads themselves are ecologically bad. If you ride along the side of a highway on a bike you will see amazing amount of plastic rubbish. Even the highways are lined with plastic materials and object that disintegrate. Fencing, astroturf etc All of which ends up disintegrating and everywhere. Each day that passes I’m happier I’ve always been and always will be an avid walker and cyclist. Yes I own a car but I use it very sparingly and thoughtfully.
jtode 3y ago
Let's see how that works out for the idea that we can handle what's coming without massive changes to our lifestyles.

colechristensen 3y ago

Don’t be hyperbolic. Cars aren’t the major cause, are being replaced by electrics anyway, and will always be around. Gas prices and regulations will make fossil fuel cars too expensive and undesirable for all but a few enthusiasts who will have a negligible overall carbon footprint.

anonporridge 3y ago
Context. Passenger road transport accounts for 11% of all global emissions. https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport