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I have experience with colemak, not with dvorak, but: Don't do it for speed. I type exactly as fast in colemak as in qwerty, even after years of using colemak.
by codehotter 14y ago
I have experience with colemak, not with dvorak, but:
Don't do it for speed. I type exactly as fast in colemak as in qwerty, even after years of using colemak. (110 WPM). The limitation feels to me to be in my brain, not in the keyboard layout. Colemak does feel much more comfortable than qwerty. Although I stopped using qwerty for a month while I initially learned colemak, I have been able to use qwerty or colemak interchangeably since. It takes no effort to switch 'modes'.
The biggest thing I hate about colemak is that it breaks vim keybindings. I actually use this script http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2865 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2865 to have qwerty key mappings in vim while having colemak in insert mode
If you're interested in learning a new keyboard layout, I recommend checking out these links before you decide
http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Easy_to_learn http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Easy_to_learn
http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ergonomic http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ergonomic
Below is from the colemak FAQ on dvorak
http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ#What.27s_wrong_with_the_Dvorak_layout.3F http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ#What.27s_wrong_w...
What's wrong with the Dvorak layout?
The main problem with Dvorak is that it's too difficult and frustrating to learn for existing QWERTY typists because it's so different from QWERTY. Colemak has been designed to be easy to learn.
Placing 'L' on the QWERTY 'P' position causes excessive strain on the right pinky. Colemak doesn't place frequent letters where the pinkies stretch.
'F' is on the QWERTY 'Y' position which is a difficult stretch on normal keyboards.
'I' is very frequent but isn't on the home position.
'R' is very frequent but isn't on the home row.
It is significantly lopsided so that the right hand does too much work.
It's not comfortable to use Ctrl-Z/X/C/V shortcuts with the left hand while holding the mouse with the right hand. Colemak conserves those shortcuts in their QWERTY positions.
Even though the design principles are sound, the implementation isn't optimal because it was designed without the aid of computers.
'L' and 'S' form a frequent same-finger digraph on the right pinky. Same-finger for the pinky is very rare in Colemak. In particular, Unix commands such as 'ls -l' are very uncomfortable to type.
Some punctuation (in particular the curly/square brackets) is less comfortable to type on Dvorak. This affects mainly programmers and advanced Unix users.
- SkyMarshal 14y agoColemak:Dvorak::Dvorak:Qwerty KTouch (http://kde.org/applications/education/ktouch/ http://kde.org/applications/education/ktouch/) is a great typing tutorial, if you're on KDE or don't mind downloading parts of KDE to run it. Supports Colemak, Dvorak, Qwerty, etc.
- fferen 14y agoLongtime Dvorak user here. Some comments: - I almost always use my ring finger for 'L', including when typing 'ls', which is fairly comfortable. I only use pinky when coming from a letter that needs the ring finger. - 'F' is indeed in a terrible spot, I don't know what the Doctor was thinking with that one. - I use the setting on the Mac that leaves Cmd- shortcuts in QWERTY, so that's a non-issue. - I've never had a problem using Dvorak with Vim. In particular, I like how 'jk' and 'hl' are on different hands. - As for speed, I type much faster in Dvorak (~100 wpm) than I did in QWERTY (~60 wpm), but that may be because I learned it around the same time I started typing a lot more frequently, so take that for what it's worth. Overall I agree that Dvorak isn't optimal but I wouldn't say the jump from Dvorak to Colemak is comparable to the one from QWERTY to Dvorak. Plus, I don't have nearly as much time/interest as I used to for learning a new layout. :P
- pubby 14y agoI found Colemak very easy to learn and regained most of my speed within a week. The only real problem is you have to deal with bad key-bindings, although it's worth it.