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I've found the issue isnt high performing engineers, they're gonna get paid. The issue is middling engineers and junior engineers where before they would expec

I've found the issue isnt high performing engineers, they're gonna get paid. The issue is middling engineers and junior engineers where before they would expect a 130k-150k salary in a tier 1 city, those offers are gone.

candiddevmike 3y ago
I don't know how the folks just starting out are finding jobs. Seems like no one wants to hire juniors anymore unless it's for pennies and they can work you to the bone.
- gedy 3y ago
  and they are expecting RTO in high cost of living areas!
- akmarinov 3y ago
  Don’t identify as a junior. Just say you’re a “software engineer” and don’t put qualifiers that would turn off employers
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  By never saying you are a junior. Some people figure it out. Contract, make an LLC for more contracting, call that LLC experience, interview as senior engineer.
  - swader999 3y ago
    It's easier to do this nowadays. If you are smart, hard working, after a year and with AI in your pocket it should be easier than ever to work like someone with 3 years in a given space.
- imacomputertoo 3y ago
  I think that makes sense. so many experienced employees have been laid off that companies don't need to hire newbies any more. Six years I started working for a company that hired 3 senior devs and boatloads of bootcamp grads. for a new project. I doubt that would happen now.
- rngname22 3y ago
  I think you need to look outside traditional tech industry and instead look at industries where the code is a legacy behemoth or a cost center but still critical. A trucking company that uses code for planning and routing. The software that a federal agency uses to manage its workforce. A local or regional bank that has a lot of java written in the 90s that it needs bug fixing for.
  - notsurenymore 3y ago
    Eh, I’m a mid level dev, and have worked for those sorts of companies in the past, but even they won’t hire me anymore. I’m not sure if they filled all their open roles off the layoff or what. For example I used to work for a F500 retail company prior to and during the pandemic. They had a surprisingly large development department and has tons of jobs available prior to 2020. I was able to get in via a cold application and a seamless interview experience. More recently, I’ve tried going back and they barely have any non lead roles, and I tend to get screened out of the few roles they do post. I even got referrals from some senior people at companies like who think I’d get a good fit only to get screened out because the recruiter/hiring manager doesn’t like that I can’t check off their alphabet soup checklist. Should have spent my career doing resume driven development.

candiddevmike 3y ago

I don't know how the folks just starting out are finding jobs. Seems like no one wants to hire juniors anymore unless it's for pennies and they can work you to the bone.

gedy 3y ago
and they are expecting RTO in high cost of living areas!
akmarinov 3y ago
Don’t identify as a junior. Just say you’re a “software engineer” and don’t put qualifiers that would turn off employers
yieldcrv 3y ago
By never saying you are a junior. Some people figure it out. Contract, make an LLC for more contracting, call that LLC experience, interview as senior engineer.
- swader999 3y ago
  It's easier to do this nowadays. If you are smart, hard working, after a year and with AI in your pocket it should be easier than ever to work like someone with 3 years in a given space.
imacomputertoo 3y ago
I think that makes sense. so many experienced employees have been laid off that companies don't need to hire newbies any more. Six years I started working for a company that hired 3 senior devs and boatloads of bootcamp grads. for a new project. I doubt that would happen now.
rngname22 3y ago
I think you need to look outside traditional tech industry and instead look at industries where the code is a legacy behemoth or a cost center but still critical. A trucking company that uses code for planning and routing. The software that a federal agency uses to manage its workforce. A local or regional bank that has a lot of java written in the 90s that it needs bug fixing for.
- notsurenymore 3y ago
  Eh, I’m a mid level dev, and have worked for those sorts of companies in the past, but even they won’t hire me anymore. I’m not sure if they filled all their open roles off the layoff or what. For example I used to work for a F500 retail company prior to and during the pandemic. They had a surprisingly large development department and has tons of jobs available prior to 2020. I was able to get in via a cold application and a seamless interview experience. More recently, I’ve tried going back and they barely have any non lead roles, and I tend to get screened out of the few roles they do post. I even got referrals from some senior people at companies like who think I’d get a good fit only to get screened out because the recruiter/hiring manager doesn’t like that I can’t check off their alphabet soup checklist. Should have spent my career doing resume driven development.