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What don't you do the same, stay indoor, humans too are highly destructive to fauna, they can get injured, die, breed, pick up parasites, or catch communicable
by Namari 3y ago
What don't you do the same, stay indoor, humans too are highly destructive to fauna, they can get injured, die, breed, pick up parasites, or catch communicable diseases that may be incurable.
All animals should be free, if you can't provide freedom to your animals then you should not have any.
- ivraatiems 3y agoI genuinely don't understand why you feel the same rules ought to apply to humans and non-sapient animals, especially animals introduced into an environment by humans. What about the fact that animals introduced to an environment by humans in the name of "freedom" cause disproportionate harm to other animals? Whose freedom wins?
- Namari 3y agoJust don't get a cat?
- ivraatiems 3y agoThat's a pretty big "just" for someone who grew up loving cats. I'm sure it seems easy to you to not have animal companions, but plenty of rational people place a lot more value on it than you do. Your point of view is based on faulty assumptions about the importance of that experience.
- Namari 3y agoIt's a choice you have to make. It's the same as cigarets, you know it's toxic to you and others but still you want it regardless. PS: I love cats and always had one until few years back but I don't want to have one to force him to stay indoor, as long as I don't have a place for it to go out I won't get any.
- NL807 3y agoYou are making an obtuse argument. You do realise pets are introduced species in many parts of the world, and actually end up being significant pests, right? Predatory pets like cats are especially destructive in most ecosystems, many small native species are vulnerable and end up being endangered, because they have not evolved a defence strategy against them. Places like Australia has a huge problem because of it. Again, keep your cat indoors. Otherwise, you're part of the problem.
- slibhb 3y agoIt's not an obtuse argument. People value different things. You listed a bunch of things you value (lifespan of cat, not killing lots of birds, etc) but other people are uncomfortable preventing their cat that wants to go outside from going outside. They're weighing their cat's own preferences over the things you value and reasonable people can disagree over questions like this.
- NL807 3y agoIt is an obtuse argument. Because they identify themselves in what I said earlier, got defensive about it, and then resorted to mental gymnastics in an attempt to absolve responsibility for the harm caused by their own pets.
- alphanumeric0 3y agoI understand where you're coming from, as they can be highly destructive and are to be blamed for some species on Pacific Islands going extinct! The humans who brought cats to such fragile ecosystems are clearly to blame. By and large, domestic US outdoor cats are not in fragile ecosystems, but they are the number one killer of birds. They roam outside along with other species (like squirrels and crows) that have had to adapt to the insane environment humans have developed. I've always seen my pets as persons, with feeling and moods. Trapping them inside is cruel. Cats in nature are adapted to roam and explore. My cat in the US regretably, has brought home a few birds, but all of the birds were species of least concern. Fortunately, there are a lot of cheap collars owners can use to help alert the bird of the cat's presence before predation occurs.
- stephenr 3y ago> if you can't provide freedom to your animals How free are they if you consider them yours?
- toastercat 3y agoIf I'm understanding correctly, you're suggesting that all pet owners should disown their pets and let them free?
- Namari 3y agoDo you have a pet or a slave pet?
- toastercat 3y agoI don't understand the difference in your point of view. Aren't all pets slaves from your definition (not free)?