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> life can be cruel. We can be more specific here. "Some people can be cruel". (Of course, I'm talking about the one who took all the notes from Oz then inste

> life can be cruel. We can be more specific here. "Some people can be cruel". (Of course, I'm talking about the one who took all the notes from Oz then instead of giving him the credits ghosted him completely and later co-authored the blog post announcing the "inspired" project. https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-project-gameface https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-project-gameface)

paul7986 3y ago
Ummm it's not the employee it's Google and it's culture of thievery as it ... - Copied iOS and created Android - Worked with Sonos then stole from Sonos; Sonos 10 years later wins a victory in court https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23739273/google-sonos-smart-speaker-patent-lawsuit-ruling https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23739273/google-sonos-sma... - To inviting a MIT student out for an interview who demoed her tech & they patented it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 To many other examples ... it's not the employees it's the company!
- doloputer 3y ago
  > Copied iOS and created Android Android existed since before the iPhone was even announced. Google did buy the company making it to compete with iOS though. (or maybe sybian/windows phone. depending on who you want to believe)
  - paul7986 3y ago
    I would bet 99 percent Android iOS never looked like iOS until iOS was released. How much you want to bet :)
    - taskforcegemini 3y ago
      are you trying to defend apple, or are you trying to shame google? just curious because I understand the latter, but the former wouldn't make sense since apple is not any better in their behaviour
    - ianlevesque 3y ago
      There's really no need to bet. It was a blackberry clone and then pivoted the moment the iPhone was announced. The early Android SDK still had affordances for navigating around the UI using joystick style buttons to select UI elements and physical keyboard use. Apple moved the state of the art to touchscreens with little to no physical controls and Google followed.
      - doloputer 3y ago
        A bunch of android still works like that for navagating around the UI. (from my limited experience dealing with cheap android devices via keyboard/remote control) Probably not as well supported in third party apps using non-native UI bits.
- sebasvisser 3y ago
  It’s always people. People press buttons. Culture might be a reason to WHY people do stuff. But still, people DO stuff. Shifting the blame away to entities that can’t act, or change, actually stops the people from changing their behaviours and attitudes..and as such keeps the culture alive!
  - paul7986 3y ago
    People will do what the organization has done itself, allows and promotes through incentivizing each employee with bonuses for new technology they turn whether it's their own work or not.
    - sodality2 3y ago
      Yet if society allowed heinous acts, it still makes sense to blame those who commit them. Just because the punishments are removed, or even the acts encouraged, does that give individuals the right to defer the moral obligation to act correctly. Even when governments FORCE you to do heinous acts, we still hold individuals accountable for having done them (Nuremberg trials).
      - paul7986 3y ago
        Hmmm society vs. a money making organization to me are two different things.... politicians those who make the laws arent going around doing school shootings and other murderous acts. They do steal, lie, cheat and other bad things and they are brought to justice. So with that in mind Google itself is the politician in this example and or a group of them doing terrible things yet no one cares/nothing is done about their nefarious behavior ... probably because Google has bought the politicians ;-)

paul7986 3y ago

Ummm it's not the employee it's Google and it's culture of thievery as it ... - Copied iOS and created Android - Worked with Sonos then stole from Sonos; Sonos 10 years later wins a victory in court https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23739273/google-sonos-smart-speaker-patent-lawsuit-ruling https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/26/23739273/google-sonos-sma... - To inviting a MIT student out for an interview who demoed her tech & they patented it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 To many other examples ... it's not the employees it's the company!

doloputer 3y ago
> Copied iOS and created Android Android existed since before the iPhone was even announced. Google did buy the company making it to compete with iOS though. (or maybe sybian/windows phone. depending on who you want to believe)
- paul7986 3y ago
  I would bet 99 percent Android iOS never looked like iOS until iOS was released. How much you want to bet :)
  - taskforcegemini 3y ago
    are you trying to defend apple, or are you trying to shame google? just curious because I understand the latter, but the former wouldn't make sense since apple is not any better in their behaviour
  - ianlevesque 3y ago
    There's really no need to bet. It was a blackberry clone and then pivoted the moment the iPhone was announced. The early Android SDK still had affordances for navigating around the UI using joystick style buttons to select UI elements and physical keyboard use. Apple moved the state of the art to touchscreens with little to no physical controls and Google followed.
    - doloputer 3y ago
      A bunch of android still works like that for navagating around the UI. (from my limited experience dealing with cheap android devices via keyboard/remote control) Probably not as well supported in third party apps using non-native UI bits.
sebasvisser 3y ago
It’s always people. People press buttons. Culture might be a reason to WHY people do stuff. But still, people DO stuff. Shifting the blame away to entities that can’t act, or change, actually stops the people from changing their behaviours and attitudes..and as such keeps the culture alive!
- paul7986 3y ago
  People will do what the organization has done itself, allows and promotes through incentivizing each employee with bonuses for new technology they turn whether it's their own work or not.
  - sodality2 3y ago
    Yet if society allowed heinous acts, it still makes sense to blame those who commit them. Just because the punishments are removed, or even the acts encouraged, does that give individuals the right to defer the moral obligation to act correctly. Even when governments FORCE you to do heinous acts, we still hold individuals accountable for having done them (Nuremberg trials).
    - paul7986 3y ago
      Hmmm society vs. a money making organization to me are two different things.... politicians those who make the laws arent going around doing school shootings and other murderous acts. They do steal, lie, cheat and other bad things and they are brought to justice. So with that in mind Google itself is the politician in this example and or a group of them doing terrible things yet no one cares/nothing is done about their nefarious behavior ... probably because Google has bought the politicians ;-)