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In the business of media streaming, rightholder will require that you check for vpn and proxies in addition to countries when deciding if a given viewer will be

by meroje 3y ago

In the business of media streaming, rightholder will require that you check for vpn and proxies in addition to countries when deciding if a given viewer will be able to stream a given media.

withinboredom 3y ago
Does that actually work? That could explain an issue with a particular streaming service I use. There are currently some ongoing routing issues in BGP land and my ISP. When trying to stream, it says I’m using a proxy, so due to the incredible route my packets are taking, that might be it. What’s funny is that the only way to watch this service is to use a vpn right now.
- sitzkrieg 3y ago
  of course it doesnt work but they gotta try clutching pearls and applying whatever pressure they can think of on these fronts
  - wpietri 3y ago
    Why is this getting downvoted? It seems to me that a lot of the media-focused anti-piracy tooling is essentially a performance of toughness to make rightsholder execs comfortable. Everybody accepts you can't stop piracy entirely, and nobody's willing to say, "Fuck it, we'll compete on convenience and strong consumer relationships," so we all put up with this weird middle ground of performative DRM and the like. With only the rare occasional bit of honesty, as from Weird Al: https://sfba.social/@williampietri/110906012997848549 https://sfba.social/@williampietri/110906012997848549
    - fomine3 3y ago
      I love that HLS+AES "encryption" is still in use, thanks to Apple.
    - at_a_remove 3y ago
      This is correct. Imagine in the days of yore, some two decades and change ago, when I was charged with implementing putting some music reserves "online" for streaming ... [Harp music, progressive diagonal wave distortions through the viewport ...] We had two layers of passwords (one to get to the webpage for the class, one when actually streaming via the client, which was RealPlayer) as well as an IP range restriction to campus (you live off campus? So sorry) because our lawyers were worried about what the RIAA's lawyers would find sufficient in the wake of a bunch of Napster-baited lawsuits launched at universities. The material itself was largely limited to snippets. I wanted to say, "Calm down, have a martini or something. College students are just not going to go wild to download 128 kbps segments of old classical music," but alas I was not in charge.
- vGPU 3y ago
  They probably just keep a list of known VPN server IP’s.
- meroje 3y ago
  Routing should not impact the detection, it's usually based on maxmind's anonymous/datacenter database using your IP. Accuracy won't be 100% of course but you have to show compliance.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    I doubt it. According to that database my ip is in a totally different country but I'm served the correct content. Despite my efforts to fix this for years...

by meroje 3y ago

In the business of media streaming, rightholder will require that you check for vpn and proxies in addition to countries when deciding if a given viewer will be able to stream a given media.

withinboredom 3y ago

Does that actually work? That could explain an issue with a particular streaming service I use. There are currently some ongoing routing issues in BGP land and my ISP. When trying to stream, it says I’m using a proxy, so due to the incredible route my packets are taking, that might be it. What’s funny is that the only way to watch this service is to use a vpn right now.

sitzkrieg 3y ago
of course it doesnt work but they gotta try clutching pearls and applying whatever pressure they can think of on these fronts
- wpietri 3y ago
  Why is this getting downvoted? It seems to me that a lot of the media-focused anti-piracy tooling is essentially a performance of toughness to make rightsholder execs comfortable. Everybody accepts you can't stop piracy entirely, and nobody's willing to say, "Fuck it, we'll compete on convenience and strong consumer relationships," so we all put up with this weird middle ground of performative DRM and the like. With only the rare occasional bit of honesty, as from Weird Al: https://sfba.social/@williampietri/110906012997848549 https://sfba.social/@williampietri/110906012997848549
  - fomine3 3y ago
    I love that HLS+AES "encryption" is still in use, thanks to Apple.
  - at_a_remove 3y ago
    This is correct. Imagine in the days of yore, some two decades and change ago, when I was charged with implementing putting some music reserves "online" for streaming ... [Harp music, progressive diagonal wave distortions through the viewport ...] We had two layers of passwords (one to get to the webpage for the class, one when actually streaming via the client, which was RealPlayer) as well as an IP range restriction to campus (you live off campus? So sorry) because our lawyers were worried about what the RIAA's lawyers would find sufficient in the wake of a bunch of Napster-baited lawsuits launched at universities. The material itself was largely limited to snippets. I wanted to say, "Calm down, have a martini or something. College students are just not going to go wild to download 128 kbps segments of old classical music," but alas I was not in charge.
vGPU 3y ago
They probably just keep a list of known VPN server IP’s.
meroje 3y ago
Routing should not impact the detection, it's usually based on maxmind's anonymous/datacenter database using your IP. Accuracy won't be 100% of course but you have to show compliance.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  I doubt it. According to that database my ip is in a totally different country but I'm served the correct content. Despite my efforts to fix this for years...