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with the chemists selling useless cold medicine but the streets EVEN MORE full of meth-heads than before, obviously this particular "war on (some) drugs" measur

with the chemists selling useless cold medicine but the streets EVEN MORE full of meth-heads than before, obviously this particular "war on (some) drugs" measure is a pathetic failure.

felixgallo 3y ago
That’s not how logic works. It could be that it saved us from an even worse epidemic.
- EA-3167 3y ago
  That's also not how logic works, if you want to claim that this measure was successful you need to offer convincing evidence in favor of that. The benefit of the doubt doesn't go to failed war on drugs policies.
- diogenes4 3y ago
  I'd imagine you'd still need a cost benefit analysis if this inquiry were done in good faith. Which in politics, especially when it comes to controlling drugs, it never is. The exception possibly being prohibition itself—but prohibition actually worked, in the sense that the rate of binge drinking dropped drastically. No such efficacy is obvious here and it seems like a really useful medicine.
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    The problem there is that alcohol is relatively high-volume, I mean a barrel of pure ethanol is still a barrel of pure ethanol. By contrast fentanyl for example can be effectively shipped, in commercial quantities, in the back of a sedan or human-portable luggage. Stopping binge drinking meant reducing the amount of available alcohol, a substance requiring large scale shipping and production, storage and so on. Modern drugs really don't have that problem, and for the ones that do, synthetic alternatives would just take over.
scrapcode 3y ago
What is your suggested solution?
- dude187 3y ago
  There's no solution to drug use. There's only acceptance of this unwavering human reality. Now all the junkies on the street corner? Lock them up
  - deprecative 3y ago
    Improving folks economic reality tends to lower drug use. We could try not further ruining lives by putting them into the "justice" system and instead close the gaps they fell through while helping them up.

with the chemists selling useless cold medicine but the streets EVEN MORE full of meth-heads than before, obviously this particular "war on (some) drugs" measure is a pathetic failure.

felixgallo 3y ago

That’s not how logic works. It could be that it saved us from an even worse epidemic.

EA-3167 3y ago
That's also not how logic works, if you want to claim that this measure was successful you need to offer convincing evidence in favor of that. The benefit of the doubt doesn't go to failed war on drugs policies.
diogenes4 3y ago
I'd imagine you'd still need a cost benefit analysis if this inquiry were done in good faith. Which in politics, especially when it comes to controlling drugs, it never is. The exception possibly being prohibition itself—but prohibition actually worked, in the sense that the rate of binge drinking dropped drastically. No such efficacy is obvious here and it seems like a really useful medicine.
- EA-3167 3y ago
  The problem there is that alcohol is relatively high-volume, I mean a barrel of pure ethanol is still a barrel of pure ethanol. By contrast fentanyl for example can be effectively shipped, in commercial quantities, in the back of a sedan or human-portable luggage. Stopping binge drinking meant reducing the amount of available alcohol, a substance requiring large scale shipping and production, storage and so on. Modern drugs really don't have that problem, and for the ones that do, synthetic alternatives would just take over.

scrapcode 3y ago

What is your suggested solution?

dude187 3y ago
There's no solution to drug use. There's only acceptance of this unwavering human reality. Now all the junkies on the street corner? Lock them up
- deprecative 3y ago
  Improving folks economic reality tends to lower drug use. We could try not further ruining lives by putting them into the "justice" system and instead close the gaps they fell through while helping them up.