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> Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C. Some people predicted that new iPhone will be completely portless and allow wireless charging only, just to not h
by glogla 3y ago
> Honestly for me the best part is the USB-C.
Some people predicted that new iPhone will be completely portless and allow wireless charging only, just to not having to support USB-C out of spite.
I guess we'll need to wait a year or two more.
- dang 3y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37485328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37485328. (There's nothing wrong with it - I'm just trying to prune the top-heavy thread)
- radlad 3y agoGod, I hope not. For all the "eco-friendliness" they spouted, this would be a step in the wrong direction. I found it amusing that they tried to spin Magsafe as eco-friendly too... because, uh, you can't use leather cases anymore(?)
- hindsightRegret 3y agoThe cynic in me knows the real reason for them to be a carbon neutral company is so that you don't feel bad purchasing another one of their phones since it was produced "neutrally".
- rvnx 3y agoYeah, certainly eco-friendly, if we forget about all the energy losses :)
- glogla 3y agoAccording to my research (1) wireless charging increases the consumption between 40 and 80 % depending on how well you align the coils. It would be very much Apple move to take something that wastes enormous amount of energy (given the number of people who have iPhones) and claim it is eco-friendly. (1): I looked on Wikipedia for 30 seconds
- datadrivenangel 3y agoIphones use such a small amount of energy that doubling the energy consumption is fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things.
- datadrivenangel 3y ago12.7Wh per battery for the iPhone 14, times a billion iphones. Assume a worst case scenario of full battery usage per day per phone, which gives us 5 billion watts or 5 gigawatts. Doubling that power use if everyone switched to low quality wireless charging (50%) would require another 5 gigawatts, or a few thousand more wind turbines. Bigger than I thought in a worst case scenario, but still not too bad. Especially if wireless charging prevents premature replacement by reducing port failure, as the embodied energy is estimated to to be the majority of the energy involved in the lifecycle of a smartphone.
- oceanplexian 3y agoRunning an Air Conditioner in a small room for an hour (~500Wh) uses the same energy an iPhone would take in ~40 complete charge/discharge cycles. Of course, the numbers look big when you scale them up but as a percentage of total energy use, it's marginal to non-existent.
- radlad 3y ago> Especially if wireless charging prevents premature replacement by reducing port failure Interesting. I wasn't aware this was a common problem? It's not something I'm used to hearing about as an Android user. I'd be more interested in whether Magsafe or USB-C wears the battery out sooner.
- bombcar 3y agoNow that it's become like the USB-C port on the iPad (at least at high end) I doubt it will go away, but maybe the SE will be replaced with a watch-like "no ports" phone someday.
- TylerE 3y agoI doubt we’ll ever see that just because of how badly it would screw over CarPlay users.
- radlad 3y agoWireless CarPlay is becoming pretty common.
- TylerE 3y agoDoesn't do anythign for the millions of people (self included) that already own a car with wired carplay.
- CamperBob2 3y agoI'm sure there will be a dongle for that.
- massysett 3y agoThere already are some: https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/10/carplay-wireless-carplay-adapter/ https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/10/carplay-wireless-carplay-adap...
- camjohnson26 3y agoThere already are several wireless car play adapters for under $100, I have one and it works perfectly
- Octoth0rpe 3y agoyes, but I've heard many, many negative things about it (lag, slow charging, phone overheating, etc). I don't think I've ever heard of anyone actually liking it.
- radlad 3y agoHuh. We use it in our car and it works OK. I do know other with the car who have issues with lag however. Slow charging though... that seems orthogonal?
- derefr 3y agoI don't know about spite — I feel like they were holding off on moving the iPhone to USB-C for so long precisely because they had already planned on going portless "soon", and it would have been silly to do two of these "brave" transitions in quick succession.
- ARandumGuy 3y agoThat prediction always seemed premature to me. Wireless charging still can't compete with USB fast charging for speed, and cables are more portable then even the sleekest wireless chargers. While I imagine Apple will ditch cables as soon as they think it's feasible, I just don't think that's going to happen for at least a few more years.
- bombcar 3y agoEver since Jobs killed the floppy at the height of its power, people have wanted to jump the gun on the next "ubiquitous" thing Apple will kill off.
- kriz9 3y agoThey need to keep USB-C until they figure out another way to transfer large ProRes videos from the iPhone. Wifi is just too slow.
- uf00lme 3y agoProbably see WiFi upgrades to laptops first before client devices. So another year or two before that gets solved
- kaba0 3y agoBut its like fundamental physics and it doesn’t make sense to ditch wires — it will always take more energy and more loss to transport anything in a medium of distant molecules vs a tightly coupled one with interesting properties. And for what benefit? That port is already water-proof.
- HumblyTossed 3y ago> That port is already water-proof. Resistant.
- dbbk 3y agoWho cares? How many people are dropping their phone in the ocean and retrieving it?
- jabroni_salad 3y agorecording your footage directly to external storage is kind of a dependent feature though. They are angling on the prosumer / low end commercial videography with that. I suspect lots of people who would be happy to shoot on a phone have upgraded to blackmagic specifically because you can just swap the card and keep rolling.
- kaba0 3y agoThat was such a dumb prediction.. It just doesn’t make sense to go wireless only, like even as the presentation showed, there are great usecases for wires, like moving data fast to external storage during video recording. Also, charging is much much slower without a cable, and then we didn’t even talk about debuggibility, servicibility, for no reason whatsoever. Apple is not hurt by usb-c, they have been using it for many years on their own dime. They just waited around so if anyone takes offense (see other commenters) they can freely point their fingers at the EU. They only were waiting around for a scapegoat.
- dimmke 3y agoBased on an analysis of their product line up and past actions, I believe their ultimate intention was to introduce USB-C as the port for iPhone "Pro" models and remove the port entirely from the regular non pro models, in favor of wireless charging. You can see a proto version of this in the current iPad lineup: the Pro and Air (mid range model) have USB-C, while the base iPad uses Lightning. You're right that USB-C can transfer data very fast in comparison to Lightning, but most casual users likely don't do this at all. They primarily use cloud backup solutions. This is somewhat supported by the fact that data transfer speeds on non pro models of the 15 are the same as Lightning. Additionally, Apple had much more control over who could legally produce cables and accessories with Lightning due to owning the standard, which isn't the case with USB-C. I really think the only reason it didn't shake out like this is because wireless charging tech just isn't where it needs to be. It's possible that Apple thought it was going to advance faster. They had one very ambitious product they were going to release for wireless charging that got completely canceled a couple years ago: theverge.com/2021/8/5/22611234/apple-airpower-wireless-charger-working-prototype Do you know how rare it is for Apple to announce a product and then alter it at all from what they said when they announced it -- much less straight up cancel it? They could have gone the iPad route, but part of the problem is that iPhones are a status symbol/conspicuous consumption product as well. There are plenty of people who buy the latest "Pro" model as a way of signaling status. This move would likely have caused a lot of confusion in general for less tech savvy people. It's no longer "Do you have an iPhone charger?" it's "Do you have an iPhone charger or that new new one?" >They only were waiting around for a scapegoat. I really doubt this. Apple has never been one to shy away from making decisions that can be decried as shameless profit grabs. Example: removing headphone jack. Removing wall brick charger from phones. They could not have predicted that the EU would introduce unprecedented legislation forcing them to this standard and they fought it vehemently.
- HumblyTossed 3y agoNobody believed it. Wireless charging just isn't there. Heat and speed need to improve first.
- dbbk 3y agoThose people were way off the mark anyway because there was no rumor to support that and it wouldn't even make practical sense.
- ljm 3y agoThe reason for USB-C was to adhere to a common standard. Getting rid of the port entirely and depending on a MagSafe charger is just the same as insisting on lightning, and you would have to buy special cables or devices for it. That wouldn't pass muster in the regulation.