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Women can more readily get the kind of attention they want, with minimal effort. Getting emotionally invested in an AI seems to me like it would go hand in han

Women can more readily get the kind of attention they want, with minimal effort. Getting emotionally invested in an AI seems to me like it would go hand in hand with giving up on human relationships. I'm pretty sure men are more likely to do that than women.

RajT88 3y ago
You nailed it. The article says: > Are said she believes that reflects a gender-based slant — social media platforms freely allow sex-related ads only if the intended audience is men. So when you've got a huge hungry audience, willing to pay money, the platforms are incentivized to enforce their rules about ads unequally. Content and apps geared towards women, or gay men, are such a small piece of the pie by comparison that there's less incentive to look the other way. The companies being accused of this unequal enforcement, of course, have a long history of doing things for no other reason than they can make a little extra money on it by not respecting their users. It's entirely believable.
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  > Content and apps geared towards women, or gay men, are such a small piece of the pie by comparison that there's less incentive to look the other way. Sorry, we're talking about Instagram, an app we know puts huge targets on women, especially young women! I have no idea what you're talking about here about nicheness. Fashion products alone are worth way more than the entire porn industry. Not including beauty, skincare, cosmetic surgery, wellness/cleansing, etc...
  - RajT88 3y ago
    There's more women, but the point is demand among women is not as high for such AI partners. The lack of demand makes the market niche.
    - EatingWithForks 3y ago
      I'm asking why the demand is not as high for male AI partners, when other media which also simulates male romantic partnership has HUGE demand. Just look at how much erotica makes. How many weird fetish stories are posted on fanfiction sites where the reader is a character. How much money stupid things like Boyfriend Dungeon (a real thing! a dungeon crawler where you date your exclusively-male weapons!) makes! You'd think AI boyfriends fit way closer to this existing market.
      - decafninja 3y ago
        All of those "simulate" not just a companion, but the whole relationship scenario, which I've been told is what women are attracted to? Whereas men are simpler creatures attracted to any woman that is visually hot. The former is a lot harder to implement than the latter.
        EatingWithForks 3y ago
        But the whole relationship scenario exactly what you'd want an AI partner for, is my bafflement. If I want porn I have plenty of free stuff on PornHub et al. There's no reason to get an intelligent anything, artificial or not, if I actually just want generated fap material. It's obviously selling companionship as well as porn, which is definitely more what I see in erotica, which I already know is fairly formuliac as it is-- basically like porn. So I'm asking: why is it so skewed, because there's clearly a mix of both appeals here. If it was a40/60 or a 70/30 skew, okay because ads are primarily visual attractors. But this makes it sound more like 90/10 or 95/5, which makes no sense to me, I know that fake relationships with hot men is one of the few ways you can make a good income as a self published author.
        decafninja 3y ago
        Maybe in the future, but I would describe the current state of things as selling "interactivity", not really a "relationship". Also, even if we were to call it a "relationship", I'd say it's a lot easier to cater to the typical male wants of a "relationship" through the current (and near future) state of AI than the typical female wants. Disclaimer: The usual stuff about "not all men/women etc. etc."
0_____0 3y ago
> ... get the attention they want, minimal effort I...uh, have you asked a woman whether this is true? Like, ask the nearest woman to confirm this and report back. Most women I have spoken to about this can get attention generally, but very little of it is desirable attention. There's also a bias I've noticed where people don't consider women that they don't personally find attractive when talking about these things - they're basically invisible.
- AISnakeOil 3y ago
  How does one discern between undesirable and desirable attention? Asking for a friend.
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  - 0_____0 3y ago
    Is your friend socially masculine, feminine, or neither? Because it changes the answer.
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    It's the difference between a stalker and a secret admirer. The person receiving the attention decides its desirability.
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  - dahwolf 3y ago
    Just be handsome and rich.
    - luckman212 3y ago
      better not be short either
- sho_hn 3y ago
themagician 3y ago
Women can more readily get attention, but not necessarily the kind of attention they want. Women also become emotionally invested in fictional characters or celebrities. Same, same, but different.
spinach 3y ago
They can easily get low-grade (and unwanted) attention, but high-grade attention of the opposite sex is just as tough as it is for men. From men's point of view that tends to be more sex only it might seem like women have it easy, but women tend to want more emotional involvement in relationships. Hence why women read more in depth about love and sex in romance novels, and why men watch porn and buy prostitutes. Not saying there aren't men that don't enjoy romance novels or that women don't watch porn, only that it's a very clear that the sexes are biased that way.

RajT88 3y ago

You nailed it. The article says: > Are said she believes that reflects a gender-based slant — social media platforms freely allow sex-related ads only if the intended audience is men. So when you've got a huge hungry audience, willing to pay money, the platforms are incentivized to enforce their rules about ads unequally. Content and apps geared towards women, or gay men, are such a small piece of the pie by comparison that there's less incentive to look the other way. The companies being accused of this unequal enforcement, of course, have a long history of doing things for no other reason than they can make a little extra money on it by not respecting their users. It's entirely believable.

EatingWithForks 3y ago
> Content and apps geared towards women, or gay men, are such a small piece of the pie by comparison that there's less incentive to look the other way. Sorry, we're talking about Instagram, an app we know puts huge targets on women, especially young women! I have no idea what you're talking about here about nicheness. Fashion products alone are worth way more than the entire porn industry. Not including beauty, skincare, cosmetic surgery, wellness/cleansing, etc...
- RajT88 3y ago
  There's more women, but the point is demand among women is not as high for such AI partners. The lack of demand makes the market niche.
  - EatingWithForks 3y ago
    I'm asking why the demand is not as high for male AI partners, when other media which also simulates male romantic partnership has HUGE demand. Just look at how much erotica makes. How many weird fetish stories are posted on fanfiction sites where the reader is a character. How much money stupid things like Boyfriend Dungeon (a real thing! a dungeon crawler where you date your exclusively-male weapons!) makes! You'd think AI boyfriends fit way closer to this existing market.
    - decafninja 3y ago
      All of those "simulate" not just a companion, but the whole relationship scenario, which I've been told is what women are attracted to? Whereas men are simpler creatures attracted to any woman that is visually hot. The former is a lot harder to implement than the latter.
      - EatingWithForks 3y ago
        But the whole relationship scenario exactly what you'd want an AI partner for, is my bafflement. If I want porn I have plenty of free stuff on PornHub et al. There's no reason to get an intelligent anything, artificial or not, if I actually just want generated fap material. It's obviously selling companionship as well as porn, which is definitely more what I see in erotica, which I already know is fairly formuliac as it is-- basically like porn. So I'm asking: why is it so skewed, because there's clearly a mix of both appeals here. If it was a40/60 or a 70/30 skew, okay because ads are primarily visual attractors. But this makes it sound more like 90/10 or 95/5, which makes no sense to me, I know that fake relationships with hot men is one of the few ways you can make a good income as a self published author.
        decafninja 3y ago
        Maybe in the future, but I would describe the current state of things as selling "interactivity", not really a "relationship". Also, even if we were to call it a "relationship", I'd say it's a lot easier to cater to the typical male wants of a "relationship" through the current (and near future) state of AI than the typical female wants. Disclaimer: The usual stuff about "not all men/women etc. etc."

0_____0 3y ago

> ... get the attention they want, minimal effort I...uh, have you asked a woman whether this is true? Like, ask the nearest woman to confirm this and report back. Most women I have spoken to about this can get attention generally, but very little of it is desirable attention. There's also a bias I've noticed where people don't consider women that they don't personally find attractive when talking about these things - they're basically invisible.

AISnakeOil 3y ago
How does one discern between undesirable and desirable attention? Asking for a friend.
- deleted 3y ago
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- 0_____0 3y ago
  Is your friend socially masculine, feminine, or neither? Because it changes the answer.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  It's the difference between a stalker and a secret admirer. The person receiving the attention decides its desirability.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- dahwolf 3y ago
  Just be handsome and rich.
  - luckman212 3y ago
    better not be short either
sho_hn 3y ago

themagician 3y ago

Women can more readily get attention, but not necessarily the kind of attention they want. Women also become emotionally invested in fictional characters or celebrities. Same, same, but different.

spinach 3y ago

They can easily get low-grade (and unwanted) attention, but high-grade attention of the opposite sex is just as tough as it is for men. From men's point of view that tends to be more sex only it might seem like women have it easy, but women tend to want more emotional involvement in relationships. Hence why women read more in depth about love and sex in romance novels, and why men watch porn and buy prostitutes. Not saying there aren't men that don't enjoy romance novels or that women don't watch porn, only that it's a very clear that the sexes are biased that way.