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Open source hooliganism and the TypeScript meltdown

47 points by phillco 3y ago

frou_dh 3y ago
It's YouTuber clowns marshalling their fanbase of teenage kids who quite literally do not have fully developed brains yet. Very embarrassing indeed.
starefossen 3y ago
And they said Rails was a Ghetto…
fire 3y ago
Developer drama on twitter was always tiring but it's gotten so much worse since direct financial incentives for high engagement came into play
gsuuon 3y ago
I think some of the vitriol hurled was over the top, especially given that folks can just fork the project and move on -- isn't that the whole point of OSS? If it were a closed source product it wouldn't have even necessitated much of an announcement. Disregarding the specifics of who worked on this, I think this sort of reaction can only be discouraging to OSS maintainers as a whole (much as I agree that the change wasn't handled great).
- stevefan1999 3y ago
  My first reaction to this is that why don't we just do OpenTF again and splinter away from Turbo, just boycott Turbo from then on.
impulser_ 3y ago
I agree with him. The typescript community is very unprofessional for going around spamming repos because some project they don't use or contribute too has removed their favorite language from the project. Believe it or not, but JS vs TS really comes down to personal preference. Turbo is for client side JS and it used in a Ruby framework. Why is it so surprising that Ruby programmers want their other code built in a dynamic language? If you work decades in a dynamic language you get good at maintaining, debugging, and developing in dynamic languages.
- chris24680 3y ago
  It's also worth noting that Turbo users don't interact with it via JS, it's whole purpose is to create interactive web applications without JS. You apply data attributes to HTML elements and the framework manipulates the DOM based on server responses. A person using Turbo and upgrading to this version wouldn't notice a difference.
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dadjoker 3y ago
I don't remember Svelte getting nearly as much blowback when they removed TypeScript from that project.
- seattle_spring 3y ago
  Was Svelte’s decision made in the span of a few hours by a single person, who also silently removed a bunch of other stuff in the same PR?
- fire 3y ago
  my guess is that's primarily due to the shift in incentives for social media, but also Svelte's decision being made by the group of maintainers/contributors together, and not impacting end users more or less at all as Svelte didn't stop generating types when they swapped from TS to JS+JSDoc
faizmokh 3y ago
Standard behaviour of a Youtube influencer.
- greyfade 3y ago
  Who? This is the first I've heard of a youtuber sticking his nose in this.
  - fouc 3y ago
    probably referring to t3dotgg (160k subs)
- thrillgore 3y ago
  Standard behavior of a narcissist.

47 points by phillco 3y ago

It's YouTuber clowns marshalling their fanbase of teenage kids who quite literally do not have fully developed brains yet. Very embarrassing indeed.

starefossen 3y ago

And they said Rails was a Ghetto…

fire 3y ago

Developer drama on twitter was always tiring but it's gotten so much worse since direct financial incentives for high engagement came into play

gsuuon 3y ago

I think some of the vitriol hurled was over the top, especially given that folks can just fork the project and move on -- isn't that the whole point of OSS? If it were a closed source product it wouldn't have even necessitated much of an announcement. Disregarding the specifics of who worked on this, I think this sort of reaction can only be discouraging to OSS maintainers as a whole (much as I agree that the change wasn't handled great).

stevefan1999 3y ago
My first reaction to this is that why don't we just do OpenTF again and splinter away from Turbo, just boycott Turbo from then on.

impulser_ 3y ago

I agree with him. The typescript community is very unprofessional for going around spamming repos because some project they don't use or contribute too has removed their favorite language from the project. Believe it or not, but JS vs TS really comes down to personal preference. Turbo is for client side JS and it used in a Ruby framework. Why is it so surprising that Ruby programmers want their other code built in a dynamic language? If you work decades in a dynamic language you get good at maintaining, debugging, and developing in dynamic languages.

chris24680 3y ago
It's also worth noting that Turbo users don't interact with it via JS, it's whole purpose is to create interactive web applications without JS. You apply data attributes to HTML elements and the framework manipulates the DOM based on server responses. A person using Turbo and upgrading to this version wouldn't notice a difference.

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dadjoker 3y ago

I don't remember Svelte getting nearly as much blowback when they removed TypeScript from that project.

seattle_spring 3y ago
Was Svelte’s decision made in the span of a few hours by a single person, who also silently removed a bunch of other stuff in the same PR?
fire 3y ago
my guess is that's primarily due to the shift in incentives for social media, but also Svelte's decision being made by the group of maintainers/contributors together, and not impacting end users more or less at all as Svelte didn't stop generating types when they swapped from TS to JS+JSDoc

faizmokh 3y ago

Standard behaviour of a Youtube influencer.

greyfade 3y ago
Who? This is the first I've heard of a youtuber sticking his nose in this.
- fouc 3y ago
  probably referring to t3dotgg (160k subs)
thrillgore 3y ago
Standard behavior of a narcissist.