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pneumatic drill: 8 years, dead the sharp stick of metal my dad gave me: 38 years and counting long live the sharp stick of metal ? What a terrible take. Yes,

pneumatic drill: 8 years, dead the sharp stick of metal my dad gave me: 38 years and counting long live the sharp stick of metal ? What a terrible take. Yes, ls is maintained. Although, maintained is a very strong word. It exists. It's getting a few maintenance commits here and there, and in the mean time, it's feature done. It won't evolve anymore. Just like how exa will keep existing, and won't evolve anymore. Exa also does a hell of a lot more than ls, so will LSD, Eza and others. But keep using the sharp stick of metal if it makes you feel better.

dahfizz 3y ago
ls is very actively maintained http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/log/ http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/log/
sebastianz 3y ago
> Yes, ls is maintained. Although, maintained is a very strong word. It exists. Why would it be a strong word? Here it is, in src/ls.c: https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils It is then packaged by tens of operating system distributions, who themselves maintain extra patchsets, some of which are then upstreamed. It is installed and used on millions (billions?) of devices, for 3 decades. It's a very reliable and trusty "sharp stick of metal" :)
- andwomggazzz662 3y ago
  That's GNU coreutils.
  - sebastianz 3y ago
    Yes, and it includes the "ls" program that this thread discusses.
basedrum 3y ago
I like how people are arguing that ls is alive, like there is active work being done on it over 38 years. A Unix tool that does one thing well can be considered finished and sit for years without anything going on. That doesn't mean it's dead. Sure, maybe people want fancy new stuff, but again, doesn't mean dead. If it had security problems for years, then one could argue that it's dangerous for it not to be updated and if it isn't, then proclaim it dead so people will move to something safer, but this trend to call something dead because it isn't in rust and doesn't have colors and git awareness? Meh
- ohgodplsno 3y ago
  Exactly! ls is alive, and just exists, mostly. The commits done on it are extremely minor changes to save up 0.0001% of performance and because the APIs it was using are sometimes deprecated. And that's fine! However, when a new project arrives and does more, suddenly it's dogshit because it's stopped evolving despite doing infinitely more than ls. Unixheads have a weird inferiority complex when it comes to anything not in coreutils.
  - anthk 3y ago
    coreutils is GNU. GNU is not unix. BSD utilities in base have far more utilities than coreutils. Also, learn to use ls -F under an alias. You get the 99% of the functionality with very little.
blueflow 3y ago
Good for you if you accept that your tools might get rug-pulled from you any time. I don't.
- ohgodplsno 3y ago
  Is exa gone ? Can you not download exa anymore ? Are the binaries deleted from the internet ? Is the source completely overwritten ? Has it been removes from crates.io and from package managers ? Has it suddenly stopped listing files in your folders? Calling it having your tools rug-pulled from you is, quite frankly, the most moronic thing I've read today.
  - blueflow 3y ago
    Not yet.

dahfizz 3y ago

ls is very actively maintained http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/log/ http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/log/

sebastianz 3y ago

> Yes, ls is maintained. Although, maintained is a very strong word. It exists. Why would it be a strong word? Here it is, in src/ls.c: https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils It is then packaged by tens of operating system distributions, who themselves maintain extra patchsets, some of which are then upstreamed. It is installed and used on millions (billions?) of devices, for 3 decades. It's a very reliable and trusty "sharp stick of metal" :)

andwomggazzz662 3y ago
That's GNU coreutils.
- sebastianz 3y ago
  Yes, and it includes the "ls" program that this thread discusses.

basedrum 3y ago

I like how people are arguing that ls is alive, like there is active work being done on it over 38 years. A Unix tool that does one thing well can be considered finished and sit for years without anything going on. That doesn't mean it's dead. Sure, maybe people want fancy new stuff, but again, doesn't mean dead. If it had security problems for years, then one could argue that it's dangerous for it not to be updated and if it isn't, then proclaim it dead so people will move to something safer, but this trend to call something dead because it isn't in rust and doesn't have colors and git awareness? Meh

ohgodplsno 3y ago
Exactly! ls is alive, and just exists, mostly. The commits done on it are extremely minor changes to save up 0.0001% of performance and because the APIs it was using are sometimes deprecated. And that's fine! However, when a new project arrives and does more, suddenly it's dogshit because it's stopped evolving despite doing infinitely more than ls. Unixheads have a weird inferiority complex when it comes to anything not in coreutils.
- anthk 3y ago
  coreutils is GNU. GNU is not unix. BSD utilities in base have far more utilities than coreutils. Also, learn to use ls -F under an alias. You get the 99% of the functionality with very little.

blueflow 3y ago

Good for you if you accept that your tools might get rug-pulled from you any time. I don't.

ohgodplsno 3y ago
Is exa gone ? Can you not download exa anymore ? Are the binaries deleted from the internet ? Is the source completely overwritten ? Has it been removes from crates.io and from package managers ? Has it suddenly stopped listing files in your folders? Calling it having your tools rug-pulled from you is, quite frankly, the most moronic thing I've read today.
- blueflow 3y ago
  Not yet.