> simply be what that conscious thing experiences when a set of neurons is activated in a particular way? That is what it is, but that's totally independent of

> simply be what that conscious thing experiences when a set of neurons is activated in a particular way? That is what it is, but that's totally independent of whether they're physical. One is a sign pointing to the thing, the other is a claim about the characteristics of the thing. "This is a question mark: ?" versus "A question mark is a punctuation mark that indicates an interrogative phrase." versus "A question mark is half to three quarters of a roughly circular shape, open at the lower left, with a small line segment at the bottom followed by an open space and then a dot."