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I don't get it... If you have a good reason to use 2 TB, i'm happy to allocate it for you. If you just "I want 20 GB of storage", i'm not going to give it to y

I don't get it... If you have a good reason to use 2 TB, i'm happy to allocate it for you. If you just "I want 20 GB of storage", i'm not going to give it to you. Storage is cheap in relation to other things. Just have a good reason to why you need it.

JackFr 3y ago
Why wouldn't you assume that if I'm asking for it I have a good reason? Are you going to rearchitect my system for me?
- syndicatedjelly 3y ago
  Accountability? Is that attitude any different from just asking for money and refusing to explain what it’s for?
- bandyaboot 3y ago
  Wouldn’t you expected to have to provide some level of justification if you were, say, requesting a new development machine?
  - Gud 3y ago
    There is a difference between spending $2000+ on a new computer and $10, which is about what a terabyte costs. Probably just having the discussion itself would waste more resources than just giving the storage space.
  - mrguyorama 3y ago
    The meeting to bring in the relevant stakeholders and discuss that reasoning literally costs more than just fucking buying some cloud space.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      Had a boss that would swoop into “suspicious” meetings. “There’s 10 people here whose time I bill out at $250/hr each, spending an hour discussing whether to buy a $1,000 software license? Why?”
      - salawat 3y ago
        "Because you don't give us access to the financials, so we have no frigging idea if we can afford it, Frank." "Some of us don't like jumping into things without looking." I wager your boss would not be amused with me.
floorballchamp 3y ago
> If you have a good reason So, you are not expecting that your co-workers have good reasons for what they are doing? Maybe the hiring bar at your place is too low then. I prefer to work at places where my default assumption is that everybody around me is smart and responsible. Lifts lots of worries off my shoulders (and tends to benefit the stock price over time too and thereby my income).
- gameman144 3y ago
  My coworkers have called out gaps in my thinking thousands of times when I have explained perceived needs to them, that's one of the main value-adds one gets from working in a team. If I wanted unquestioned control, I'd run my own shop. If I want the best product, then I hope that people question my assumptions.
  - floorballchamp 3y ago
    We are not in disagreement here. Bouncing off ideas and thoughts is a good thing. The way this was phrased was more from the angle "who knows what these guys were thinking; if they can't give me a good reason, no way they will get storage space as I don't trust that they make good decisions on their own".
- ilyt 3y ago
  If your smart colleagues can't write a sentence like "we need extra 1TB for next 3 years of growth", they are not smart and you're not either...
- arghwhat 3y ago
  Generally? No. Not because they are not smart, but because in a large company, each individual have different goals and priorities - that's why we have e.g. SREs as dedicated roles - and it takes a bit of effort to find the intersection between all these. Let's say I work in DevOps and want to optimize cloud costs. In that case, I would challenge the size of everything, the use of higher-costs services, the number of regions, all that - but the team might want more regions and bigger resources to improve latency and performance, and use more high-cost services for developer experience, and ship features without having to think about utilization. It's a tug of war, and only works when you have forces on both sides to balance out. Being too conservative might stall innovation or make things too slow to save a buck, not being conservative enough might drain funds or make things impossible to scale.
djmips 3y ago
dealing with the gate keeping often costs more in dev time then just approving. Especially when the DevOps think they know better - thank goodness a tech director can step in and bust the impasse.

JackFr 3y ago

Why wouldn't you assume that if I'm asking for it I have a good reason? Are you going to rearchitect my system for me?

syndicatedjelly 3y ago
Accountability? Is that attitude any different from just asking for money and refusing to explain what it’s for?
bandyaboot 3y ago
Wouldn’t you expected to have to provide some level of justification if you were, say, requesting a new development machine?
- Gud 3y ago
  There is a difference between spending $2000+ on a new computer and $10, which is about what a terabyte costs. Probably just having the discussion itself would waste more resources than just giving the storage space.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The meeting to bring in the relevant stakeholders and discuss that reasoning literally costs more than just fucking buying some cloud space.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Had a boss that would swoop into “suspicious” meetings. “There’s 10 people here whose time I bill out at $250/hr each, spending an hour discussing whether to buy a $1,000 software license? Why?”
    - salawat 3y ago
      "Because you don't give us access to the financials, so we have no frigging idea if we can afford it, Frank." "Some of us don't like jumping into things without looking." I wager your boss would not be amused with me.

floorballchamp 3y ago

> If you have a good reason So, you are not expecting that your co-workers have good reasons for what they are doing? Maybe the hiring bar at your place is too low then. I prefer to work at places where my default assumption is that everybody around me is smart and responsible. Lifts lots of worries off my shoulders (and tends to benefit the stock price over time too and thereby my income).

gameman144 3y ago
My coworkers have called out gaps in my thinking thousands of times when I have explained perceived needs to them, that's one of the main value-adds one gets from working in a team. If I wanted unquestioned control, I'd run my own shop. If I want the best product, then I hope that people question my assumptions.
- floorballchamp 3y ago
  We are not in disagreement here. Bouncing off ideas and thoughts is a good thing. The way this was phrased was more from the angle "who knows what these guys were thinking; if they can't give me a good reason, no way they will get storage space as I don't trust that they make good decisions on their own".
ilyt 3y ago
If your smart colleagues can't write a sentence like "we need extra 1TB for next 3 years of growth", they are not smart and you're not either...
arghwhat 3y ago
Generally? No. Not because they are not smart, but because in a large company, each individual have different goals and priorities - that's why we have e.g. SREs as dedicated roles - and it takes a bit of effort to find the intersection between all these. Let's say I work in DevOps and want to optimize cloud costs. In that case, I would challenge the size of everything, the use of higher-costs services, the number of regions, all that - but the team might want more regions and bigger resources to improve latency and performance, and use more high-cost services for developer experience, and ship features without having to think about utilization. It's a tug of war, and only works when you have forces on both sides to balance out. Being too conservative might stall innovation or make things too slow to save a buck, not being conservative enough might drain funds or make things impossible to scale.

djmips 3y ago

dealing with the gate keeping often costs more in dev time then just approving. Especially when the DevOps think they know better - thank goodness a tech director can step in and bust the impasse.