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I've noticed that Wayland advocacy (read: bot spam) has dropped off by quite a bit. Used to be you mention X.org or X11 and the bots would pour out of the woodw

I've noticed that Wayland advocacy (read: bot spam) has dropped off by quite a bit. Used to be you mention X.org or X11 and the bots would pour out of the woodwork to remind you it's "deprecated" or whatever - it's not - but I think the bot herders finally realized they were doing more harm than good. That bot spam left a bad taste in my mouth and I simply will never ever use Wayland because of it. I have no proof but it all seemed to be the same kind of spam that you'd encounter when discussing System D or pulse, so I suspect it was being organized from Red Hat itself. Evil company, that.

phendrenad2 3y ago
To play devil's advocate, it's possible that Red Hat wasn't actively evil, but they just believed in throwing cash at open-source projects, which enabled a lot of jerks within the community.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  I think there's a bit of selection bias - people interested in esoteric choices like your display manager will be prone to fairly strong opinions. Personally, I'm a fan of Wayland - but I'm not deluded either. Sway offers one of the better experiences, but you have to craft an awful lot of it. I'm also fortunate that everything I need/use either supports Wayland or is a game that benefits from gamescope. Some requires more tweaking/encouragement than others. Mixed environments are awful - ie: copying/pasting between Wayland/XWayland tends to freeze/hang in a specific direction. Making xlsclients return nothing should be the goal before getting too frustrated. Screen sharing is fine thanks to Pipewire... and screenshots with grim/slurp - but again, some curating was involved and limitations apply (ie: no sharing 10-bit color displays)
creatonez 3y ago
This is a wild conspiracy theory with no actual basis. No one is organizing people's opinions on random mostly-irrelevant pieces of tech by "herding bots". And no, Wayland is not closely tied to Red Hat.

phendrenad2 3y ago

To play devil's advocate, it's possible that Red Hat wasn't actively evil, but they just believed in throwing cash at open-source projects, which enabled a lot of jerks within the community.

bravetraveler 3y ago
I think there's a bit of selection bias - people interested in esoteric choices like your display manager will be prone to fairly strong opinions. Personally, I'm a fan of Wayland - but I'm not deluded either. Sway offers one of the better experiences, but you have to craft an awful lot of it. I'm also fortunate that everything I need/use either supports Wayland or is a game that benefits from gamescope. Some requires more tweaking/encouragement than others. Mixed environments are awful - ie: copying/pasting between Wayland/XWayland tends to freeze/hang in a specific direction. Making xlsclients return nothing should be the goal before getting too frustrated. Screen sharing is fine thanks to Pipewire... and screenshots with grim/slurp - but again, some curating was involved and limitations apply (ie: no sharing 10-bit color displays)

creatonez 3y ago

This is a wild conspiracy theory with no actual basis. No one is organizing people's opinions on random mostly-irrelevant pieces of tech by "herding bots". And no, Wayland is not closely tied to Red Hat.