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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case Detaining does not happen in US but they just get shot by LEO. A l

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Omar_case Detaining does not happen in US but they just get shot by LEO. A lot of black community will tell you they are improperly taken/shot in for trivial infractions. Tell me one instance in RU whereLEO just shoot unarmed civilian for minor road traffic stop. David Miranda was detained at Heathrow: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miranda_(politician) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Miranda_(politician) While I understand US is better than RU,CN they are not that far ahead. Nit pick is OK but defending CIA is hopeless. Ask amnesty they will tell you more cases.

Aeolun 3y ago
> Tell me one instance in RU whereLEO just shoot unarmed civilian for minor road traffic stop. Hard to compare without reading russian news, and even then, I feel it would be more normalized there.
Danjoe4 3y ago
I would not consider USA LEO illegally detaining or using excessive force comparable to the Kremlin ordering the arrest of a dissident's family members. One is an individual acting on ignorance, racism, or poor training while the other is a concerted regime effort to maintain control by scaring potential dissidents. The message being "even if you escape punishment we'll go after your family".
- gmerc 3y ago
  Children separated from parents at the border may disagree with your notion of non family punishment. “My country is less bad than your country” is a fun game, but at some point it does require a very large amount of cognitive dissonance to stay ahead of the game. Especially when the country is standing with one foot in a perpetual white supremacist coup
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    Children who cross the border illegally are also breaking the law. A law that every country on the planet has. The punitive familial separation was absolutely atrocious and I hope people go to prison for it, but it’s nowhere close to “my son said something mean about POTUS on the internet, now I’m being detained.”

Aeolun 3y ago

> Tell me one instance in RU whereLEO just shoot unarmed civilian for minor road traffic stop. Hard to compare without reading russian news, and even then, I feel it would be more normalized there.

Danjoe4 3y ago

I would not consider USA LEO illegally detaining or using excessive force comparable to the Kremlin ordering the arrest of a dissident's family members. One is an individual acting on ignorance, racism, or poor training while the other is a concerted regime effort to maintain control by scaring potential dissidents. The message being "even if you escape punishment we'll go after your family".

gmerc 3y ago
Children separated from parents at the border may disagree with your notion of non family punishment. “My country is less bad than your country” is a fun game, but at some point it does require a very large amount of cognitive dissonance to stay ahead of the game. Especially when the country is standing with one foot in a perpetual white supremacist coup
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Children who cross the border illegally are also breaking the law. A law that every country on the planet has. The punitive familial separation was absolutely atrocious and I hope people go to prison for it, but it’s nowhere close to “my son said something mean about POTUS on the internet, now I’m being detained.”