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A lot of the false accusations, spamming of negative links, and misinformation arguably comes from those with competing or hidden interests. It's a lot of langu

by Tozen 3y ago

A lot of the false accusations, spamming of negative links, and misinformation arguably comes from those with competing or hidden interests. It's a lot of language war antics, that got out of control. Various competing languages use reddit as a forum, because their language didn't previously have one or their developers didn't open up discussions on GitHub. Evangelists of competing languages can be allowed to bash, flame, or troll opposing languages on various subreddits. If they outnumber a rival language, in a place they often congregate and the mods will allow such behavior, then they can get away with typing the most outrageous or foul statements for points. It came become a bash and troll festival, and anyone that dares oppose, can get intentionally downvoted away or punished by their mods who have control. People that are casuals or don't know what's going on behind the scenes, may see only their side. There is often no balanced discussion. Any opposing view points to the false accusations, extreme negative positions, misinformation, or wrong statements may not be allowed to be seen.

richbell 3y ago
> A lot of the false accusations, spamming of negative links, and misinformation arguably comes from those with competing or hidden interests. It's a lot of language war antics, that got out of control. Arguably? According to who? What evidence supports such a claim?
- ModernMech 3y ago
  When V was first announced, the author made a lot of outlandish claims about what the language was able to do. Experienced language developers saw this immediately and pointed out correctly that the claims ranged from exaggerated and premature, to impossible based on current PL theory. Apparently the V community has decided that constructive and valid criticism from peers is an act of "war", and it's to be discounted because they are "competitors" and "rivals" who are "salty". Notably the criticism died down a little (from the Zig author in particular) when the Vlang devs backed off some of the more outlandish claims and correctly added "WIP" labels to them instead of implying that they were actually working and implemented. So the Vlang devs/community at the time at least recognized they were doing something wrong in how they were communicating their work; although today in this thread it seems like they are trying to back peddle.
  - delian66 3y ago
    I would appreciate, for you to not speak about the V community and V devs, which consists of many people (660 contributors currently), with various positions and attitudes, including me. I have not spoken about anyone being a salty rival, whatever that means. Thanks in advance.
    - ModernMech 3y ago
      The lead developer and very vocal community members brigade HN every time V is mentioned. They form the basis of my opinion of your whole community — you maybe should send some more measured voices here if you feel they don’t represent you. The impression they give off has informed my opinion, and if you don’t like that it’s your job to change my opinion through positive interactions. Meanwhile I’ll voice my opinion as much as I like thank you very much. The words in quotes are from what appear to be ambassadors of the V language here on HN. If you feel they don’t represent your community, maybe ask them to stop brigading instead of asking me to shut my mouth? Just another example of the V community I guess…
      - amedvednikov 3y ago
        [flagged]
        ModernMech 3y ago
        What you and your community do on HN reflects on you, regardless of what anyone else does. You're earning your reputation one post at a time. I mean, several of your posts here are dead and flagged. Take a hint. Your evangelism isn't working here, it's doing the opposite of what you want. My suggestion is to work on your C++ to V translation engine instead of posting here. Maybe you'll move it past the early stage.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        You're spamming this thread and with your anti V attacks, have a bunch of them downvoted and flagged, and are teaching me about communication... So rude indeed.

by Tozen 3y ago

richbell 3y ago

> A lot of the false accusations, spamming of negative links, and misinformation arguably comes from those with competing or hidden interests. It's a lot of language war antics, that got out of control. Arguably? According to who? What evidence supports such a claim?

ModernMech 3y ago
When V was first announced, the author made a lot of outlandish claims about what the language was able to do. Experienced language developers saw this immediately and pointed out correctly that the claims ranged from exaggerated and premature, to impossible based on current PL theory. Apparently the V community has decided that constructive and valid criticism from peers is an act of "war", and it's to be discounted because they are "competitors" and "rivals" who are "salty". Notably the criticism died down a little (from the Zig author in particular) when the Vlang devs backed off some of the more outlandish claims and correctly added "WIP" labels to them instead of implying that they were actually working and implemented. So the Vlang devs/community at the time at least recognized they were doing something wrong in how they were communicating their work; although today in this thread it seems like they are trying to back peddle.
- delian66 3y ago
  I would appreciate, for you to not speak about the V community and V devs, which consists of many people (660 contributors currently), with various positions and attitudes, including me. I have not spoken about anyone being a salty rival, whatever that means. Thanks in advance.
  - ModernMech 3y ago
    The lead developer and very vocal community members brigade HN every time V is mentioned. They form the basis of my opinion of your whole community — you maybe should send some more measured voices here if you feel they don’t represent you. The impression they give off has informed my opinion, and if you don’t like that it’s your job to change my opinion through positive interactions. Meanwhile I’ll voice my opinion as much as I like thank you very much. The words in quotes are from what appear to be ambassadors of the V language here on HN. If you feel they don’t represent your community, maybe ask them to stop brigading instead of asking me to shut my mouth? Just another example of the V community I guess…
    - amedvednikov 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - ModernMech 3y ago
        What you and your community do on HN reflects on you, regardless of what anyone else does. You're earning your reputation one post at a time. I mean, several of your posts here are dead and flagged. Take a hint. Your evangelism isn't working here, it's doing the opposite of what you want. My suggestion is to work on your C++ to V translation engine instead of posting here. Maybe you'll move it past the early stage.
        amedvednikov 3y ago
        You're spamming this thread and with your anti V attacks, have a bunch of them downvoted and flagged, and are teaching me about communication... So rude indeed.