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Many people living in these countries, know what's going on. They silently support the violent levels of censorship because they think our government is just as

Many people living in these countries, know what's going on. They silently support the violent levels of censorship because they think our government is just as bad and often hypocritical (even though the US is objectively better in most reasonable cases) IMO, the disagreement between the two political parties doesn't just cause domestic polarization, it also delays foreign progress towards democracy. People get jaded internationally from it. I'm hoping we can either have more parties or just help the two parties make up.

ziftface 3y ago
To add to this, funding autocratic governments in these countries with billions in "aid" also delays foreign progress towards democracy.
- rayiner 3y ago
  I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Democracy follows economic development, of the other way around. America and European countries all became more democratic after they became rich. Some autocratic governments can hinder economic development. Others, like in China and now Bangladesh, can be pretty competent about it.
  - blackoil 3y ago
    Yep, we all can see how democratic Saudi has become.
    - dirtyid 3y ago
      Democracy _may_ follow economic development. Economic development (as in move past developing country phase) has essentially never followed early democratic development. Poor autocrats has a chance of becoming rich autocratic or rich democratic societies. Poor democratic societies largely stays poor, with historic consistency bordering on certainty. Best thing developing countries can wish for is competent autocrat and favourable geopolitical conditions.
  - JamesBarney 3y ago
    Does it? By economic development do you mean relative to other countries or in absolute terms? The US was pretty democratic way before we were anywhere close to rich my 2023 standards.
    - hollerith 3y ago
      Good point. The same can be said of the Roman Republic and classical Athens.

ziftface 3y ago

To add to this, funding autocratic governments in these countries with billions in "aid" also delays foreign progress towards democracy.

rayiner 3y ago
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Democracy follows economic development, of the other way around. America and European countries all became more democratic after they became rich. Some autocratic governments can hinder economic development. Others, like in China and now Bangladesh, can be pretty competent about it.
- blackoil 3y ago
  Yep, we all can see how democratic Saudi has become.
  - dirtyid 3y ago
    Democracy _may_ follow economic development. Economic development (as in move past developing country phase) has essentially never followed early democratic development. Poor autocrats has a chance of becoming rich autocratic or rich democratic societies. Poor democratic societies largely stays poor, with historic consistency bordering on certainty. Best thing developing countries can wish for is competent autocrat and favourable geopolitical conditions.
- JamesBarney 3y ago
  Does it? By economic development do you mean relative to other countries or in absolute terms? The US was pretty democratic way before we were anywhere close to rich my 2023 standards.
  - hollerith 3y ago
    Good point. The same can be said of the Roman Republic and classical Athens.