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well still better than both ruining the planet and health with animal based processed food.

iancmceachern 3y ago
I'd wager $20 that the carbon Footprint of this thing is much higher than a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat.
- hamax 3y ago
  It's not.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    Got any proof? I'm skeptical, because many things, like Corn Ethanol, are actually not what they're promised to be. I would love it if this wasn't the case here, but I suspect it is. Any proof either way? Updated- the guy above provided a bunch, thanks!
    - myshpa 3y ago
      > I'd wager $20 that the carbon Footprint of this thing is much higher than a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat. Thanks? And you think you'll get away with that? ;) > a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat Farm raised is in fact worse for the climate than CAFOs (because it takes longer), not talking about other aspects. > I'd wager $20 Just joking, of course. Try some good vegan restaurant instead (happycow.net).
      - iancmceachern 3y ago
        I was actually raised vegetarian and generally prefer vegetarian dishes. I've also been paying attention, and know that many things that are sold to us as greener, arent.
        myshpa 3y ago
        > I was actually raised vegetarian and generally prefer vegetarian dishes. If you've been raised vegetarian, it's possible you have some blind spots. A lot of people have an idealized picture of how the industry works. Have you seen "dairy is scary" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI Or dominion? https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch > know that many things that are sold to us as greener, arent Certainly, that's why I would recommend focusing on science rather than mass or social media.
- tchaffee 3y ago
  How so? Meat already has a much higher carbon footprint so what part of the plant based product would make it so much higher?
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    The manufacturing and distribution. It's like with corn based ethanol fuels. Yes, we can turn corn into fuel. Yes, it takes more fuel to burn than we get out of the process.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      https://sentientmedia.org/new-study-confirms-plant-based-better/ https://sentientmedia.org/new-study-confirms-plant-based-bet... A new University of Oxford study adds to the growing body of evidence that plant-based foods, even the processed ones, are better for the planet than meat, especially beef and lamb. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120584119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120584119 Estimating the environmental impacts of 57,000 food products https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/plant-based-meat-by-far-the-best-climate-investment-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/plant-ba... Plant-based meat by far the best climate investment, report finds https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/beyond-meats-beyond-burger-life-cycle-assessment-detailed https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/bey... Beyond Meat's Beyond Burger Life Cycle Assessment: A detailed comparison between a plant-based and an animal-based protein source the Beyond Burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 46% less energy, has >99% less impact on water scarcity and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of U.S. beef https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local ... Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%.
    - tchaffee 3y ago
      What's the carbon footprint of the manufacturing? Meat is also distributed. What's your source for this claim about ethanol fuels? You can get pure ethanol at any pump in Brazil, it's widely used, and it's even 10% in gasoline. You sure they are losing money on that?

I'd wager $20 that the carbon Footprint of this thing is much higher than a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat.

hamax 3y ago
It's not.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  Got any proof? I'm skeptical, because many things, like Corn Ethanol, are actually not what they're promised to be. I would love it if this wasn't the case here, but I suspect it is. Any proof either way? Updated- the guy above provided a bunch, thanks!
  - myshpa 3y ago
    > I'd wager $20 that the carbon Footprint of this thing is much higher than a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat. Thanks? And you think you'll get away with that? ;) > a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat Farm raised is in fact worse for the climate than CAFOs (because it takes longer), not talking about other aspects. > I'd wager $20 Just joking, of course. Try some good vegan restaurant instead (happycow.net).
    - iancmceachern 3y ago
      I was actually raised vegetarian and generally prefer vegetarian dishes. I've also been paying attention, and know that many things that are sold to us as greener, arent.
      - myshpa 3y ago
        > I was actually raised vegetarian and generally prefer vegetarian dishes. If you've been raised vegetarian, it's possible you have some blind spots. A lot of people have an idealized picture of how the industry works. Have you seen "dairy is scary" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI Or dominion? https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch > know that many things that are sold to us as greener, arent Certainly, that's why I would recommend focusing on science rather than mass or social media.
tchaffee 3y ago
How so? Meat already has a much higher carbon footprint so what part of the plant based product would make it so much higher?
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  The manufacturing and distribution. It's like with corn based ethanol fuels. Yes, we can turn corn into fuel. Yes, it takes more fuel to burn than we get out of the process.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    https://sentientmedia.org/new-study-confirms-plant-based-better/ https://sentientmedia.org/new-study-confirms-plant-based-bet... A new University of Oxford study adds to the growing body of evidence that plant-based foods, even the processed ones, are better for the planet than meat, especially beef and lamb. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120584119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120584119 Estimating the environmental impacts of 57,000 food products https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/plant-based-meat-by-far-the-best-climate-investment-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/plant-ba... Plant-based meat by far the best climate investment, report finds https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/beyond-meats-beyond-burger-life-cycle-assessment-detailed https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/bey... Beyond Meat's Beyond Burger Life Cycle Assessment: A detailed comparison between a plant-based and an animal-based protein source the Beyond Burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 46% less energy, has >99% less impact on water scarcity and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of U.S. beef https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local ... Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%.
  - tchaffee 3y ago
    What's the carbon footprint of the manufacturing? Meat is also distributed. What's your source for this claim about ethanol fuels? You can get pure ethanol at any pump in Brazil, it's widely used, and it's even 10% in gasoline. You sure they are losing money on that?