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Music piracy is almost non-existent post spotify. Streaming service fragmentation and geolocking has resulted in more video piracy but it still is less compared

by absrec 3y ago

Music piracy is almost non-existent post spotify. Streaming service fragmentation and geolocking has resulted in more video piracy but it still is less compared to what it was.

wredue 3y ago
Did you actually look that up, or are you just believing it cause piracy forums say it? Cause I did just look it up, and you’re not correct. The ways that music piracy occurs has changed, for sure.
- callalex 3y ago
  If you had actually looked it up you would have cited sources.
  - wredue 3y ago
    You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you, nevertheless: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/15764/prevalence-of-music-piracy/ https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/15764/prevalence-of-music... One thing I did find is that, for some reason, Covid saw a drop in music piracy. That has nothing to do with the claim that “since Spotify released (2011), music piracy is non existent”, though. I didn’t bother to read on idea of why that occurred.
    - absrec 3y ago
      Access to pirated music in the EU fell by 81% between 2017 and 2020. Eighty one per cent! Meanwhile, with a slightly different metric: “In 2020, the average internet user in the EU accessed pirated music 0.6 times per month, compared to 2.3 in 2017.” https://musically.com/2021/12/13/online-music-piracy-declining/ https://musically.com/2021/12/13/online-music-piracy-declini... And Spotify might have released in 2011 but it went mainstream around late 2010s.
ghaff 3y ago
An analyst I know once argued pretty strongly that Napster became popular not because it was free but because it was more convenient than going to the record store and buying a CD. I disagreed fairly strongly at the time. But today? Times are quite different of course but widespread streaming music with a near-universal (at least mainstream) catalog suggests that a ton of people are fine with paying $15/month to not bother seeking out content through torrents. While the situation is obviously messier with video, it's also the case that many of us don't feel a burning need to watch most specific content and are fine with having access to enough stuff we want to watch without hassle.
- giantrobot 3y ago
  > An analyst I know once argued pretty strongly that Napster became popular not because it was free but because it was more convenient than going to the record store and buying a CD. Some context for the younger HN audience: a CD used to cost $15-20 new and almost no artist in the US sold singles. If you wanted a song you heard on the radio you needed to go to one or more record stores to find the CD and pay your $15. Rarely did you get to sample anything on the CD at the store. So you'd get home only to realize you essentially paid $15 for one stupid song. Hopefully you liked half the songs on the album so you were maybe paying $3 per song you liked. Ripping that CD to MP3 was also more time invested. Even over a 28.8k dial-up downloading the same song of Napster would only take about twenty minutes. As the various online music stores showed, money wasn't the main issue with Napster et al. People were fine paying for music so long as it was convenient. By the early 00s buying CDs was far from convenient for how people actually wanted to listen to music. Music streaming is just the latest convenience since everyone has an Internet connected device in their pocket and their "library" is just every song in the service's catalog.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    >Music streaming is just the latest convenience since everyone has an Internet connected device in their pocket and their "library" is just every song in the service's catalog. Yeah, mobile probably played a role as well. Even if you have a few TB of music reasonably cataloged on a USB drive at home, that doesn't do you a huge amount of good when you're somewhere where you only have access to your phone or want to have a listen to some newly-released album. We're also in a situation where if you know someone with vaguely similar music tastes, they could clone that few TB in less than an hour but I honestly don't know how much even that goes on these days. My sense is that most people aren't interested in spending much time to catalog their media.

by absrec 3y ago

Music piracy is almost non-existent post spotify. Streaming service fragmentation and geolocking has resulted in more video piracy but it still is less compared to what it was.

wredue 3y ago

Did you actually look that up, or are you just believing it cause piracy forums say it? Cause I did just look it up, and you’re not correct. The ways that music piracy occurs has changed, for sure.

callalex 3y ago
If you had actually looked it up you would have cited sources.
- wredue 3y ago
  You made the claim, so the burden of proof is on you, nevertheless: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/15764/prevalence-of-music-piracy/ https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/15764/prevalence-of-music... One thing I did find is that, for some reason, Covid saw a drop in music piracy. That has nothing to do with the claim that “since Spotify released (2011), music piracy is non existent”, though. I didn’t bother to read on idea of why that occurred.
  - absrec 3y ago
    Access to pirated music in the EU fell by 81% between 2017 and 2020. Eighty one per cent! Meanwhile, with a slightly different metric: “In 2020, the average internet user in the EU accessed pirated music 0.6 times per month, compared to 2.3 in 2017.” https://musically.com/2021/12/13/online-music-piracy-declining/ https://musically.com/2021/12/13/online-music-piracy-declini... And Spotify might have released in 2011 but it went mainstream around late 2010s.

ghaff 3y ago

An analyst I know once argued pretty strongly that Napster became popular not because it was free but because it was more convenient than going to the record store and buying a CD. I disagreed fairly strongly at the time. But today? Times are quite different of course but widespread streaming music with a near-universal (at least mainstream) catalog suggests that a ton of people are fine with paying $15/month to not bother seeking out content through torrents. While the situation is obviously messier with video, it's also the case that many of us don't feel a burning need to watch most specific content and are fine with having access to enough stuff we want to watch without hassle.

giantrobot 3y ago
> An analyst I know once argued pretty strongly that Napster became popular not because it was free but because it was more convenient than going to the record store and buying a CD. Some context for the younger HN audience: a CD used to cost $15-20 new and almost no artist in the US sold singles. If you wanted a song you heard on the radio you needed to go to one or more record stores to find the CD and pay your $15. Rarely did you get to sample anything on the CD at the store. So you'd get home only to realize you essentially paid $15 for one stupid song. Hopefully you liked half the songs on the album so you were maybe paying $3 per song you liked. Ripping that CD to MP3 was also more time invested. Even over a 28.8k dial-up downloading the same song of Napster would only take about twenty minutes. As the various online music stores showed, money wasn't the main issue with Napster et al. People were fine paying for music so long as it was convenient. By the early 00s buying CDs was far from convenient for how people actually wanted to listen to music. Music streaming is just the latest convenience since everyone has an Internet connected device in their pocket and their "library" is just every song in the service's catalog.
- ghaff 3y ago
  >Music streaming is just the latest convenience since everyone has an Internet connected device in their pocket and their "library" is just every song in the service's catalog. Yeah, mobile probably played a role as well. Even if you have a few TB of music reasonably cataloged on a USB drive at home, that doesn't do you a huge amount of good when you're somewhere where you only have access to your phone or want to have a listen to some newly-released album. We're also in a situation where if you know someone with vaguely similar music tastes, they could clone that few TB in less than an hour but I honestly don't know how much even that goes on these days. My sense is that most people aren't interested in spending much time to catalog their media.