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This is like saying strip clubs shouldn't need to ID minors attempting to enter the building i.e. parents should be fully responsible for restricting a minor's

This is like saying strip clubs shouldn't need to ID minors attempting to enter the building i.e. parents should be fully responsible for restricting a minor's access strip clubs. I think it's reasonable to conclude strip clubs also bear a responsibility to prevent minors from entering. This is just the porn industry shirking its responsibility.

verdverm 3y ago
My understanding is that this is like checking an ID for the club when the club uses an ID scanner to validate. In this case the device is presenting the club with the answer rather than the club having to make the query
MisterBastahrd 3y ago
It's not like that at all, because a website is nothing like a strip club regardless of what content it contains. Yes, the parents should be responsible for their own home networks and what travels across them. If the technology doesn't exist or isn't sufficient, then a market will be created to fill that need in short order. This legislation is not about children accessing smut. It's about the government knowing which adults are accessing smut. That some children attempt to gain access is simply a convenient excuse and a way to rationalize the intrusion into privacy.
- true_religion 3y ago
  Should parents also be responsible for their physical home and what travels into it? Because sex workers do make out calls. Should 16 year olds be able to call for strippers for their birthday parties, and the onus put on their parents to stop their entry? I’d think you would say no. The problem with the law as it stands isn’t the concept. It’s that it’s difficult to execute to the point where it basically bans free porn sites. Pay sites can still live because asking for ID and credit cards is something they can do and check manually. However free sites can’t do that. If the government provided some mechanism to automatically validate that a persons is over 18, when making an HTTP request then that would be fine. It would be no worse than having ID scanners at a club.

verdverm 3y ago

My understanding is that this is like checking an ID for the club when the club uses an ID scanner to validate. In this case the device is presenting the club with the answer rather than the club having to make the query

MisterBastahrd 3y ago

It's not like that at all, because a website is nothing like a strip club regardless of what content it contains. Yes, the parents should be responsible for their own home networks and what travels across them. If the technology doesn't exist or isn't sufficient, then a market will be created to fill that need in short order. This legislation is not about children accessing smut. It's about the government knowing which adults are accessing smut. That some children attempt to gain access is simply a convenient excuse and a way to rationalize the intrusion into privacy.

true_religion 3y ago
Should parents also be responsible for their physical home and what travels into it? Because sex workers do make out calls. Should 16 year olds be able to call for strippers for their birthday parties, and the onus put on their parents to stop their entry? I’d think you would say no. The problem with the law as it stands isn’t the concept. It’s that it’s difficult to execute to the point where it basically bans free porn sites. Pay sites can still live because asking for ID and credit cards is something they can do and check manually. However free sites can’t do that. If the government provided some mechanism to automatically validate that a persons is over 18, when making an HTTP request then that would be fine. It would be no worse than having ID scanners at a club.