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What companies today give software engineers offices? Microsoft's used to be fantastic in 00s and early 10s but they also were moving to open spaces when I left

What companies today give software engineers offices? Microsoft's used to be fantastic in 00s and early 10s but they also were moving to open spaces when I left so not sure the state today.

maverick2007 3y ago
Epic Systems did as of 5 years ago
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Epic systems basically has a company town set up. I don't think you ever really leave work when you work for epic.
  - selectodude 3y ago
    Not to mention they've taken to straight up lying on their job descriptions saying they're based in Chicago while having "required to relocate to Madison" in fine print at the end of the ad. Yucky company.
nkozyra 3y ago
Honestly, trying to fix the problems of: 1) expensive office space and 2) people not coming into the office with 3) more _expensive_ office space is just the kind of McKinsey-level thinking we should expect.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Making offices bigger and nicer will 1) mean fewer offices (per unit space, since they are bigger) 2) make people more likely to come in (since they are nicer) The point where those cross over seems like a good target, the highest number of happy office workers you can fit.
  - nkozyra 3y ago
    > 1) mean fewer offices (per unit space, since they are bigger) I think this is rather optimistic. If you give more square feet per employee and expect most/all to come in, the idea that it will mean fewer offices doesn't really add up.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      Sure, that was the point of my comment. Making the offices bigger and nicer incentivizes people to come in, and reduces the building capacity, the goal should be to find the point where those two trends meet. Of course, this is under the assumption the company wants people to come in willingly. They could just try and force their employees to come in, but people are really into work from home and good employees have more options.
- bratgpttamer 3y ago
  If HOAs increase property values, maybe we can convince our overlords that an Office Workers' Association for planning these renovations will help save them from Numbers Go Down in the commercial real estate market.
xpe 3y ago
Apple does, at least in some locations. Others who have more current knowledge can chime in.

What companies today give software engineers offices? Microsoft's used to be fantastic in 00s and early 10s but they also were moving to open spaces when I left so not sure the state today.

maverick2007 3y ago

Epic Systems did as of 5 years ago

willcipriano 3y ago
Epic systems basically has a company town set up. I don't think you ever really leave work when you work for epic.
- selectodude 3y ago
  Not to mention they've taken to straight up lying on their job descriptions saying they're based in Chicago while having "required to relocate to Madison" in fine print at the end of the ad. Yucky company.

nkozyra 3y ago

Honestly, trying to fix the problems of: 1) expensive office space and 2) people not coming into the office with 3) more _expensive_ office space is just the kind of McKinsey-level thinking we should expect.

bee_rider 3y ago
Making offices bigger and nicer will 1) mean fewer offices (per unit space, since they are bigger) 2) make people more likely to come in (since they are nicer) The point where those cross over seems like a good target, the highest number of happy office workers you can fit.
- nkozyra 3y ago
  > 1) mean fewer offices (per unit space, since they are bigger) I think this is rather optimistic. If you give more square feet per employee and expect most/all to come in, the idea that it will mean fewer offices doesn't really add up.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    Sure, that was the point of my comment. Making the offices bigger and nicer incentivizes people to come in, and reduces the building capacity, the goal should be to find the point where those two trends meet. Of course, this is under the assumption the company wants people to come in willingly. They could just try and force their employees to come in, but people are really into work from home and good employees have more options.
bratgpttamer 3y ago
If HOAs increase property values, maybe we can convince our overlords that an Office Workers' Association for planning these renovations will help save them from Numbers Go Down in the commercial real estate market.

xpe 3y ago

Apple does, at least in some locations. Others who have more current knowledge can chime in.